Author: chandler yergin
Date: 18:39:37 12/28/04
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On December 28, 2004 at 21:09:18, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 28, 2004 at 20:35:53, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On December 28, 2004 at 20:24:18, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 28, 2004 at 19:37:14, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On December 28, 2004 at 19:20:29, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 28, 2004 at 17:57:24, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 13:39:21, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:17:24, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:00:13, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>here's the game... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>P3/850 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"] >>>>>>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."] >>>>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"] >>>>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"] >>>>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2 >>>>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5 >>>>>>>>>>>14.Bg3 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Dan >>>>>>>>>> A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong >>>>>>>>>> pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another >>>>>>>>>> engine to play this move without changing some internal >>>>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>>>> Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>here's the game... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>P3/850 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"] >>>>>>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."] >>>>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"] >>>>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"] >>>>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2 >>>>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5 >>>>>>>>>>>14.Bg3 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Dan >>>>>>>>>> A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong >>>>>>>>>> pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another >>>>>>>>>> engine to play this move without changing some internal >>>>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>>>> Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com] >>>>>> >>>>>>Nonsense! >>>>>>For those that have Chessbase Newer Engines, Shredder, Hiarchs etc.. >>>>>>Create Multiple Lines! >>>>>>It DOES find it! It also evaluates each Line, and rates them higher than the >>>>>>first PV! >>>>>>"locking" your engine to ONE PV is ludicrous! >>>>> >>>>>No >>>>> >>>>>Of course it is known that many engines can show more than one line but it is >>>>>not related to the topic. >>>>> >>>>>>I've said it before, and say it again.. >>>>>>"Locking" the Engine to ONE Line is D-U-M-B! >>>>> >>>>>No >>>>> >>>>>It is not. >>>>> >>>>>By giving the engine more than one line you can find everything so the question >>>>>how many programs can find is not interesting. >>>> >>>>Of course; all Programs that use Chessbase can find it. >>> >>>By your definition I can also find always the correct move. >>>I only need to give you a list of the legal moves with an evaluation for every >>>move. >>> >>>This is not what most people mean by the term finding a move. >> >>> >>>Uri >> >>Yeah.. I guess some would rather sit for Hours, or Days, letting the engine Run >>instead of "Finding" it in seconds! >>Use the Tools at your disposal! >>That's what they are for! > >finding is when you do not know the solution and not when you know it. > >finding is for the engine and not for the human when there is a specific move to >find. > >Uri "Finding" is for the HUMAN! To use all the tools at his disposal! Understanding the position is what is important! If you want to waste your time... be my guest; don't give me CRAP! CY
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