Author: chandler yergin
Date: 00:38:01 12/30/04
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On December 28, 2004 at 21:55:54, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 28, 2004 at 21:39:37, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On December 28, 2004 at 21:09:18, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 28, 2004 at 20:35:53, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On December 28, 2004 at 20:24:18, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 28, 2004 at 19:37:14, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 28, 2004 at 19:20:29, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 28, 2004 at 17:57:24, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 13:39:21, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:17:24, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:00:13, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>here's the game... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>P3/850 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>14.Bg3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dan >>>>>>>>>>>> A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong >>>>>>>>>>>> pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another >>>>>>>>>>>> engine to play this move without changing some internal >>>>>>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>here's the game... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>P3/850 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>>>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>14.Bg3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dan >>>>>>>>>>>> A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong >>>>>>>>>>>> pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another >>>>>>>>>>>> engine to play this move without changing some internal >>>>>>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>>>>>> Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Nonsense! >>>>>>>>For those that have Chessbase Newer Engines, Shredder, Hiarchs etc.. >>>>>>>>Create Multiple Lines! >>>>>>>>It DOES find it! It also evaluates each Line, and rates them higher than the >>>>>>>>first PV! >>>>>>>>"locking" your engine to ONE PV is ludicrous! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Of course it is known that many engines can show more than one line but it is >>>>>>>not related to the topic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I've said it before, and say it again.. >>>>>>>>"Locking" the Engine to ONE Line is D-U-M-B! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>By giving the engine more than one line you can find everything so the question >>>>>>>how many programs can find is not interesting. >>>>>> >>>>>>Of course; all Programs that use Chessbase can find it. >>>>> >>>>>By your definition I can also find always the correct move. >>>>>I only need to give you a list of the legal moves with an evaluation for every >>>>>move. >>>>> >>>>>This is not what most people mean by the term finding a move. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>Yeah.. I guess some would rather sit for Hours, or Days, letting the engine Run >>>>instead of "Finding" it in seconds! >>>>Use the Tools at your disposal! >>>>That's what they are for! >>> >>>finding is when you do not know the solution and not when you know it. >>> >>>finding is for the engine and not for the human when there is a specific move to >>>find. >>> >>>Uri >> "Finding" is for the HUMAN! >>To use all the tools at his disposal! >>Understanding the position is what is important! >>If you want to waste your time... be my guest; don't give me CRAP! >>CY > >You forget that here is the computer chess club and not the human chess club. So what? >If people ask which program can find some specific move then it is clear that >finding is for computer and not for humans. Computers are a TOOL! With BUGS! If you haven'r figured that out yet.. you need a New Hobby! > >If people want humans to find the move they can simply ask what is the best move >without giving the move because it is easy to find the move after you already >know it. > >Uri Nonsense! Use the tools! Listen to yourself, and try and figure out what you are saying.
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