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Subject: Re: Can a PC programme beat a top GM in a match?

Author: Ross Boyd

Date: 17:32:28 01/01/05

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On January 01, 2005 at 16:29:29, Steve B wrote:

>>It is safe to say that 99.99% of chess players are not programers
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>most chess programers are not chess players
>or if they do play chess it is not at a strong level
>for most porgrammers chess itself means nothing
>it is a game they picked due to its perceived level of difficulty

Hi Steve,

Definitely not true for me... :-)

Since age 5 the game of chess has had me spellbound... the way the pieces
interact and move... the deep combinations... the geometric logic. There is no
deception in chess... no trickery... the pieces are all clearly in view. Yet, a
better player can steamroll over a lesser opponent.

I love chess, the game... but am not gifted at it. I have read many, many books
on chess and played at chess clubs.

Then, when dedicated chess computers became available I was spellbound even
more. How did these things work? Why is one better than another? Can they beat
humans? Will they ever beat the world champion?

I learned to program so I could write a chess program. Programming became my
career but the real passion was for chess programming. And there are probably
many others in this category. We LOVE the game so much we want to see it played
better than we can.

Botvinnik is an obvious example of a truly great player who turned his hand to
building a chess machine.

I beg to differ that programmers have no love of the game. For me, it is
precisely the love of the game that drives me on.

On the other hand, we see the human administrative side of chess is filled with
politics and acrimony. FIDE seems to care little for the game. Money and power
seem to rule everything. The irony is that I see the _love_ of the game dying on
the _human's_ side.

Chess programmers will continue to take chess to the next level... and the next.
Aren't you curious to see what chess looks like when played perhaps a 1000 Elo
stronger than any human has ever achieved? :-)

Fascinating stuff!

Best wishes,

Ross



>the early AI programmers picked chess as a vehicle to try to emulate human
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>it might as well be any difficult game they chose
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>Best
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>>them every day becoming computer owners. and buying CM9000 from the bargin bin
>>for 10$, there we go instant GM at home. and in the future you can buy a instant
>>world champion of the shelf. In my opinion at one point it will be a computer VS
>>computer game only. there will be no point playing against a program.
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>>With your own example. it will be me racing on foot against a fiat or a ferrari
>>will not make a difference. I can't win against any of them.
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>>all this in my opinion others can differ
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>>Murat ...



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