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Subject: Re: tom's hardware: The P4-560's Heat Can Crash and Kill

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 00:05:46 01/03/05

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I wouldn't trust Tomshardware for much of anything, but he has to bring this to
light.. as it is a major issue and not something that can be ignored (even by an
Intel funded hardware site). His credability would go in the hole for the small
majority that DO read his page.

If you buy a Dell or any other pre-built P4-560 system you'll see it throttle
down to 2.4-2.8GHz from 3.8GHz. It gets that hot. You need water-cooling or at
the very least a high-end (and usually expensive/loud) air-cooling setup to
bring the temperature down enough to just run 'normal' speed.

Most people won't do this, or even know about the P4 overheating/throttling.
Lots of the computers I work on (I do house calls) have the persons computer
stuffed under a desk or in a cubby hole where it gets rather warm. They also
never, EVER dust them. So once dust starts to clog it'll start to get hotter,
and as a result it will throttle back even more. So the person with a "super"
P4-560 chip supposedly now ends up having one running 1.8-2.2ghz, just so it
doesn't kill itself.

Also Prescott chips (compared with the Northwood) don't do as well in terms of
MHz for MHz, they're generally slower. Some things can be faster, but MOST
things are slower. Chess programs for example can be up to 20% slower. So lets
say after 1 year your P4-560 3.8ghz is throttled down to 2GHz.. knock off 20%
and we now have a Northwood equivalent chip @ 1.6GHz for some chess programs.

Not only this, but electromigration will kill the chip faster. 80C+ sustained
over long periods is horrible for modern chips. Here is a bit of information
about the subject:

http://www.csl.mete.metu.edu.tr/Electromigration/emig.htm

Basically electromigration is always happening. Heat just accelerates it.
It is like a stalactite and stalagmite in a cave, but in a modern CPU when it
finally gets to the other side it'll short and cause circuit failure, which of
course will kill the CPU on the spot.

I got a formula a while back for figuring out the lifetime of a CPU, and
ironically it was from an Intel engineer. Basically it stated for every 10
degrees celsius the CPU is brought down in temperature the processor will last
twice as long. If you raise the temperature by the same the reverse is true.

I'm just curious as to how long these new blazing hot P4s are going to last, and
what is going to happen to Intels reputation if they start dying left and right
on people after a year or two. Guess we'll see in a few years (assuming people
keep the chips that long and don't upgrade).



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