Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:15:19 01/03/05
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On January 03, 2005 at 16:57:50, chandler yergin wrote:
>On January 03, 2005 at 15:38:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 03, 2005 at 15:26:12, Ulysses Omycron wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Here are names of some posters (from memory) who are probably stronger than me
>>>>>>(srry if I mispell names but I have no time to check the spelling now)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1)Albert silver
>>>>>>2)Vincent Diepveen
>>>>>>3)Martin fierz
>>>>>>4)Jose carlos
>>>>>>5)stuart taylor
>>>>>>6)Franando Villages
>>>>>>7)Omid david(programmers of falcon he does not post a lot recently but he got
>>>>>>rating of 2250 before he decided to go for chess programming)
>>>>>>8)programmer of Jonny(I believe that he posted here in the past)
>>>>>>9)Dan Anderson or maybe another poster(I am not sure but I remember a poster
>>>>>>with level of 2400 who posted here)
>>>>>>10)Georgo Lypako(does not post often but I remember that he posted here).
>>>>>11)Michael Drexel
>>>>12)Eduerd Nemeth.
>>>>13)Peter Makanzi(programmer of lambchop)
>>>>14)Steve Ham(good correspondence player withou computers but I do not
>>>>his level over the board)
>>>>15)Gunter simon(seems to be near the level of me)
>>>
>>>I still can beat you all!, this real game I had on ICC on a tourney proves it:
>>>
>>>[Event "ICC tourney 239517 (15 0)"]
>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>[Date "2005.01.02"]
>>>[Round "1"]
>>>[White "Ovyron"]
>>>[Black "Geochess"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ICCResult "Black resigns"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2567"] * Provisional
>>>[BlackElo "2164"]
>>>[Opening "Caro-Kann defense"]
>>>[ECO "B10"]
>>>[NIC "CK.01"]
>>>[Time "01:40:25"]
>>>[TimeControl "900+0"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bb5+ Bd7 5. a4 e6 6. Ne5 a6 7. Bxd7+ Nxd7
>>>8. Nxd7 Qxd7 9. O-O Nf6 10. d4 Rc8 11. Bg5 Ne4 12. Bf4 Bd6 13. Bxd6 Qxd6 14.
>>>Nd2 Nxd2 15. Qxd2 O-O 16. c3 Rc4 17. Rfe1 Rfc8 18. Qg5 h6 19. Qg4 Qb6 20.
>>>Ra2 Qb3 21. Rea1 Kh7 22. Qf4 Kg8 23. Qg4 b6 24. Qe2 Kf8 25. Ra3 Rxa4 26.
>>>Rxa4 {Black resigns} 1-0
>>>
>>>I was so lucky! :) My blitz rating is about 1100 (It says +1200, but don't
>>>believe them).
>>>
>>>This just shows everybody can be beaten on a bad (GOOD!) day :) This cannot
>>>happen to computers... Can it? Can shredder 8 lose a 15 0 game against a weak
>>>human like me?
>>
>>Of course it can.
>>
>>a power failure in the middle of the game and shredder simply will lose on time.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Sorry, you give tooooooo much credence to the power of the Programs!
I did not claim it is impossible to beat chess programs.
I was talking to a player that his rating is 1100-1200 and did not talk about
stronger players.
It is obvious that stronger player than 1100 can avoid losing against programs.
The son of my sister even drew against Ruffian and his chessbase rating at that
time was near 1400.
stupid Ruffian was simply happy to repeat moves in the opening and did not try
to win.
He usually lose against computers but can hold until the endgame and he told me
that he has more trouble against humans who try to attack and not against
computers who play objectively the best move and do not look for move that can
cause trouble to the opponent
Of course it is also possible to beat a computer if you already played a copy
and beated it and repeat the game but it is not fair win.
>The Human 'little grey cells' (remember Hercule Poirot?) still rule over
>MIPS on a Silicon Chip. They have their bad days too...
>Get em 'out of book, and that's where the GM's power comes into play.
>As bad as I am, I beat a Comp.. "terrible Grob" or "Killer Grob"
>something like that, a Comp Rated 2667, in a 3 0 Game, and Drew it another.
>A friend of mine, a low rated Expert, raised his ICC Rating to 2550 +
>by playing and beating every Computer there.
>Don't forget Nemouth.. He kills em too!
>CY
I do not think that Nemeth can beat chess programs that he does not know.
Of course beating deterministic programs after training against them is no
problem.
Uri
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