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Subject: Want to test out your chess program detection ability?

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 13:03:02 01/21/99

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On January 21, 1999 at 14:28:16, KarinsDad wrote:
>
>Will,
>
>I told you that you should have used a handle. Nobody cares about handle wars
>like they care about chea.., err, suspected cheaters.
>
>I wanted to know if you wanted to play a G60 nonrated game on fics against me
>sometime in the future. I wanted to play part of the game with a computer and
>part of the game without a computer to see if you could determine on which moves
>I was using it (first without using a computer yourself to analyze the moves,
>i.e. gut feel, and then later by analyzing with a computer). My rating is
>probably lower than yours (about 1710 on fics in G20+ games right now), however,
>this is more due to a lack of concentration than a lack of understanding the
>game. When I concentrate, I can usually play at mid to high class A. Interested?
>
>This offer is open to other members of CCC as well, however, due to time
>constraints within the next month or so, I'm not sure how much of this I can do.
>Email me if you are interested. We could even start a tournament and post the
>results here.
>
>KarinsDad :)


Thanks for the offer, KD.  Don't think it'll work for me, however.  Firstly, I'm
a crappy player, never got higher than 1580.  Or were you talking about my
program?

Secondly, the format you suggest is flawed.  One has a chance to detect computer
play over a series of games, if certain elements are present (one of which is
that the computer is playing the moves!).  To "ferret" out which moves are
played by you and which by the computer is impossible.

And finally, one cannot verify this sort of thing.  Frankly, how could I trust
you, my dear anonymous friend?  I can find a cheater on a chess server because
they are usually kids who just enter the moves, without imagination or
deception, or else automated programs.  But you could be more wily than that.

Will



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