Author: James T. Walker
Date: 16:42:11 01/03/05
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On January 02, 2005 at 15:02:58, Richard Harrison wrote: >On January 02, 2005 at 14:39:19, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 02, 2005 at 09:51:53, Richard Harrison wrote: >> >>>On January 02, 2005 at 07:33:04, Thomas Logan wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Is the Shredder 8 program being used the UCI version (w/ Shredders opening >>>>>>book)? I asked because I have found a very noticeable difference in strength >>>>>>between S8 in the chessbase GUI and S8 using the classical GUI at 40/2. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rich >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It's the Fritz interface one. >>>>>Is the classic version significantly stronger? >>>> >>>>At 40/2 Shredder 8uci with classic gui and shredder8a.bkt overwhelmed Junior 9 >>>> >>>>in my autoplay games >>>> >>>>Tom >>> >>>Just as a quick example, I played S8-Chessbase and S8-Classic against S7.04 >>> >>>[Identical machines - moves manually input - 40/2] >>> >>>First to achieve 10 wins. Here are the results: >>> >>>Shredder 8 (ChessBase)vs. Shredder 7.04 >>> >>>S8-CB 10 (3 wins) >>>S7.04 17 (10 wins) >>> >>>Shredder 8 (Classic GUI) vs. Shredder 7.04 >>> >>>S8-Classic 22 (10 wins) >>>S7.04 16 (4 wins) >>> >>>It's hard for me to believe that only the opening book made such a dramatic >>>difference. >>> >>>Rich >> >>This difference is not a big difference. >> >>Imagine that you add a killer line against every line of Shredder7.04 in the >>opening book of S8-classic. >> >>The result can be 38-0 and not 22-16 for S8-classic. >> >>Uri > >Hi Uri, > > Thanks for your comments and of course, I cannot disagree. > > The S8-Classic simply destroys opponents with much more conviction than >S8-Chessbase. For example, S8-CB struggled against Chessmaster 9000 which is a >strong program @ 40/2. S8-Classic destroyed Chessmaster with ease. > > When I have time, I'll have to setup positions to compare both Shredders. The >opening book makes a difference but I still feel Shredder playing in its native >GUI (Classical) plays a better overall game. > I can only speak for blitz games (mostly 5/0) but in my Blitz database Shredder 8 Classic leads Shredder 8 CB by 4 Elo points. All games auto232 on 2 XP2400+ machines. But Shredder 8 Classic has played only 828 games while Shredder 8 CB has played 1662 games so far. Jim >Rich
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