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Subject: Re: Shredder 8 vs Junior 9 - auto232

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 16:42:11 01/03/05

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On January 02, 2005 at 15:02:58, Richard Harrison wrote:

>On January 02, 2005 at 14:39:19, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 02, 2005 at 09:51:53, Richard Harrison wrote:
>>
>>>On January 02, 2005 at 07:33:04, Thomas Logan wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is the Shredder 8 program being used the UCI version (w/ Shredders opening
>>>>>>book)?  I asked because I have found a very noticeable difference in strength
>>>>>>between S8 in the chessbase GUI and S8 using the classical GUI at 40/2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It's the Fritz interface one.
>>>>>Is the classic version significantly stronger?
>>>>
>>>>At 40/2 Shredder 8uci with classic gui and shredder8a.bkt overwhelmed Junior 9
>>>>
>>>>in my autoplay games
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>
>>>Just as a quick example, I played S8-Chessbase and S8-Classic against S7.04
>>>
>>>[Identical machines - moves manually input - 40/2]
>>>
>>>First to achieve 10 wins.  Here are the results:
>>>
>>>Shredder 8 (ChessBase)vs. Shredder 7.04
>>>
>>>S8-CB	 	10 (3 wins)
>>>S7.04	 	17 (10 wins)
>>>
>>>Shredder 8 (Classic GUI) vs. Shredder 7.04
>>>
>>>S8-Classic	22 (10 wins)
>>>S7.04	 	16 (4 wins)
>>>
>>>It's hard for me to believe that only the opening book made such a dramatic
>>>difference.
>>>
>>>Rich
>>
>>This difference is not a big difference.
>>
>>Imagine that you add a killer line against every line of Shredder7.04 in the
>>opening book of S8-classic.
>>
>>The result can be 38-0 and not 22-16 for S8-classic.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Hi Uri,
>
> Thanks for your comments and of course, I cannot disagree.
>
> The S8-Classic simply destroys opponents with much more conviction than
>S8-Chessbase.  For example, S8-CB struggled against Chessmaster 9000 which is a
>strong program @ 40/2.  S8-Classic destroyed Chessmaster with ease.
>
>  When I have time, I'll have to setup positions to compare both Shredders.  The
>opening book makes a difference but I still feel Shredder playing in its native
>GUI (Classical) plays a better overall game.
>

I can only speak for blitz games (mostly 5/0) but in my Blitz database Shredder
8 Classic leads Shredder 8 CB by 4 Elo points.  All games auto232 on 2 XP2400+
machines.  But Shredder 8 Classic has played only 828 games while Shredder 8 CB
has played 1662 games so far.
Jim
>Rich



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