Author: KarinsDad
Date: 15:42:05 01/21/99
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On January 21, 1999 at 16:03:02, Will Singleton wrote: > >On January 21, 1999 at 14:28:16, KarinsDad wrote: >> >>Will, >> >>I told you that you should have used a handle. Nobody cares about handle wars >>like they care about chea.., err, suspected cheaters. >> >>I wanted to know if you wanted to play a G60 nonrated game on fics against me >>sometime in the future. I wanted to play part of the game with a computer and >>part of the game without a computer to see if you could determine on which moves >>I was using it (first without using a computer yourself to analyze the moves, >>i.e. gut feel, and then later by analyzing with a computer). My rating is >>probably lower than yours (about 1710 on fics in G20+ games right now), however, >>this is more due to a lack of concentration than a lack of understanding the >>game. When I concentrate, I can usually play at mid to high class A. Interested? >> >>This offer is open to other members of CCC as well, however, due to time >>constraints within the next month or so, I'm not sure how much of this I can do. >>Email me if you are interested. We could even start a tournament and post the >>results here. >> >>KarinsDad :) > > >Thanks for the offer, KD. Don't think it'll work for me, however. Firstly, I'm >a crappy player, never got higher than 1580. Or were you talking about my >program? Actually I was talking about you. My perception is that you are very intelligent and could play brilliant chess. Time to head back to the books. > >Secondly, the format you suggest is flawed. One has a chance to detect computer >play over a series of games, if certain elements are present (one of which is >that the computer is playing the moves!). To "ferret" out which moves are >played by you and which by the computer is impossible. Maybe improbable, but certainly not impossible. There would have to be rules involved such as: 1) You must make at least 3 computer moves in a row. 2) You must cover up the screen so that you do not see future moves of the computer (and hence be influenced by them). 3) You must make the best move the computer finds after at least 30 seconds. 4) You must play at least x number of games in the tournament. Rules to this effect would be required. > >And finally, one cannot verify this sort of thing. Maybe, maybe not. I do not need to be the one (or only one) playing the games. Someone else who is interested could do so and you could use more exacting controls on such a tournament. > Frankly, how could I trust >you, my dear anonymous friend? How can you not trust me? You make judgements on people every day of your life. Trust is earned. Someday way in the future (if we both stay on this message board), you will either trust me, or you will not. Possibly tomorrow. > I can find a cheater on a chess server because >they are usually kids who just enter the moves, without imagination or >deception, or else automated programs. But you could be more wily than that. Yes, this is true. I was born wily. The intent of my post is to determine whether a set of individual moves could be determined as "from a computer". A wily person could make the second best or third best move, especially in rather dull positions to throw off the scent. That's why you would need controls in a test of this nature (and it still may be subjective, but it may also be fun). > >Will Speaking of cracking chess books, it's time I started again :) :) KarinsDad
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