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Subject: Re: is anyone prepared to go further than 31 ply ?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 19:33:44 01/05/05

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On January 05, 2005 at 19:26:27, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 04, 2005 at 08:15:16, Duncan Roberts wrote:
>
>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=173197
>>
>>
>>A couple of days ago I said (in a discussion about mtd(f)) that my chess
>>program can search the starting position to 30 ply over night when the eval
>>evaluates material only:
>>
>>
>>SOS no eval
>>1.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (2)
>>2.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (45)
>>3.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 (138)
>>4.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 (263)
>>5.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 (435)
>>6.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 (1.860)
>>7.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 (1.942)
>>8.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 (2.024)
>>9.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 (5.086)
>>10.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 (16.891)
>>11.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (41.424)
>>12.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (94.654)
>>463.9
>>13.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (132.293)
>>497.3
>>14.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (245.124)
>>505.4
>>15.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (359.203)
>>533.7
>>16.01 0:01 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (714.937)
>>593.8
>>17.01 0:02 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (1.212.436)
>>570.2
>>18.01 0:02 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (1.729.490)
>>585.4
>>19.01 0:05 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (3.025.316)
>>605.0
>>20.01 0:08 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (4.700.415)
>>587.5
>>21.01 0:15 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (9.323.868)
>>621.5
>>22.01 0:29 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (16.881.247)
>>582.1
>>23.01 0:48 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (28.659.953)
>>597.0
>>24.01 1:36 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (56.472.536)
>>588.2
>>25.01 3:37 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>(127.308.632) 586.6
>>26.01 7:41 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>(275.114.597) 596.7
>>27.01 17:31 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>(622.179.104) 591.9
>>28.01 45:16 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>(1.602.666.536) 590.0
>>29.01 80:46 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>(-1452508008) 586.5
>>30.01 161:28 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>(1.397.948.590) 587.6
>>31.01 513:07 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>(471.878.568) 573.3
>>
>>
>>Actually 30 ply was reached after 2:41 hours.
>>
>>SW: no search extensions, normal nullmove pruning, normal quiescence
>>search
>>HW: 2xCeleron 466 MHz, 500 MByte Hash
>>
>>
>>Can anyone do better?
>
>I would be interested to see how long it takes a material only search to come up
>with something better than a3 or h3.

I am afraid that never for the simple reason that a3 or h3 do not lose material.

Uri



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