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Subject: Re: is anyone prepared to go further than 31 ply ?

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 22:50:09 01/05/05

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On January 05, 2005 at 22:33:44, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 05, 2005 at 19:26:27, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On January 04, 2005 at 08:15:16, Duncan Roberts wrote:
>>
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=173197
>>>
>>>
>>>A couple of days ago I said (in a discussion about mtd(f)) that my chess
>>>program can search the starting position to 30 ply over night when the eval
>>>evaluates material only:
>>>
>>>
>>>SOS no eval
>>>1.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (2)
>>>2.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 (45)
>>>3.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 (138)
>>>4.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 (263)
>>>5.00 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 (435)
>>>6.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 (1.860)
>>>7.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 (1.942)
>>>8.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 (2.024)
>>>9.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 (5.086)
>>>10.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 (16.891)
>>>11.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (41.424)
>>>12.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (94.654)
>>>463.9
>>>13.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (132.293)
>>>497.3
>>>14.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (245.124)
>>>505.4
>>>15.01 0:00 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (359.203)
>>>533.7
>>>16.01 0:01 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (714.937)
>>>593.8
>>>17.01 0:02 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (1.212.436)
>>>570.2
>>>18.01 0:02 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (1.729.490)
>>>585.4
>>>19.01 0:05 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (3.025.316)
>>>605.0
>>>20.01 0:08 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (4.700.415)
>>>587.5
>>>21.01 0:15 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (9.323.868)
>>>621.5
>>>22.01 0:29 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (16.881.247)
>>>582.1
>>>23.01 0:48 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (28.659.953)
>>>597.0
>>>24.01 1:36 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8 (56.472.536)
>>>588.2
>>>25.01 3:37 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>(127.308.632) 586.6
>>>26.01 7:41 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>(275.114.597) 596.7
>>>27.01 17:31 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>(622.179.104) 591.9
>>>28.01 45:16 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>(1.602.666.536) 590.0
>>>29.01 80:46 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>(-1452508008) 586.5
>>>30.01 161:28 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>(1.397.948.590) 587.6
>>>31.01 513:07 0.00 1.h3 h6 2.h4 h5 3.g3 g6 4.Rh3 Rh6 5.Rh1 Rh8
>>>(471.878.568) 573.3
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually 30 ply was reached after 2:41 hours.
>>>
>>>SW: no search extensions, normal nullmove pruning, normal quiescence
>>>search
>>>HW: 2xCeleron 466 MHz, 500 MByte Hash
>>>
>>>
>>>Can anyone do better?
>>
>>I would be interested to see how long it takes a material only search to come up
>>with something better than a3 or h3.
>
>I am afraid that never for the simple reason that a3 or h3 do not lose material.

I agree. At the moment computers see that a3 or h3 loose material, we have
started to solve chess.

Tony

>
>Uri



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