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Subject: Re: petition request for Andrew Williams

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 07:37:47 01/07/05

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On January 07, 2005 at 10:33:39, Duncan Roberts wrote:

I'm under the impression you still do not realize how stupid a material only
search is.

>On January 07, 2005 at 10:02:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On January 07, 2005 at 08:12:52, Duncan Roberts wrote:
>>
>>If there would be material win for white within say 60 plies of search from
>>openings position then:
>>  a) it would have been found already if winning for white by GM's and
>>especially by corr players.
>
>as only a small percentage of the positions possible withion 60 plies have been
>analysed by gms' it is by no means impossible that they have missed something
>
>
> Hell, even Uri Blass with his autistic logics could
>>figure it out.
>>  b) when not winning for white black has some real great compensation
>>     perhaps black has a mate in 2 or something which my evaluation sees
>>     tens of plies in advance but your 60 ply beancounter will miss it
>>  c) a 60 ply material only search will reveal nothing significant as the
>>position is only evaluated by material.
>
>well if there is a pawn to be taken in 60 plys, there is a good chance that the
>60 ply search will reveal it. It is useful to know that. black may or may not
>have compensation, but if you do not try you will not know.
>
>>Who knows, perhaps white has a passer on
>>the 7th row already promoting in 1 step.
>
>yes a 60 ply material search will not reveal a material gain on 61 ply.
>
>and similarly a 34 ply material search will not reveal a material gain on 35
>ply.
>
>the solution is NOT to not bother trying to go for a 34 ply search, but to first
>try to get to the 34 ply search and then later as resources allow to get to the
>35 ply search.
>
>
>Rome was not built in  a day
>
>duncan
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Are you sure that you didn't realize all this yet and the other 100 reasons why
>>it will contribute nothing to science.
>>
>>Oh i realize again why i hardly read any posting on this forum... ...it's just
>>such a waste of time. People at kids level...
>
>I appreciate you taking the time to share your vast computer chess knowledge
>with this forum.
>
>
>duncan



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