Author: Uri Blass
Date: 17:14:27 01/07/05
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On January 07, 2005 at 19:31:10, Dann Corbit wrote: >On January 07, 2005 at 18:54:15, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 07, 2005 at 18:38:07, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On January 07, 2005 at 17:59:12, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 07, 2005 at 17:39:25, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 06, 2005 at 20:23:12, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 06, 2005 at 19:00:41, enrico carrisco wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hiarcs -- We are undecided at this time. (Hint: It would be an easier decision >>>>>>>to make if other commercials wanted to come out and play.) :) >>>>>> >>>>>>Maybe the others are thinking the same thing. You should lead the way! :) >>>>> >>>>>I imagine that the pros thought the first crafty win was a fluke. >>>>>The past two CCT's were won by amateur programs (IIRC). >>>>> >>>>>I am guessing we have seen the last of the professional entries in the contest. >>>>> >>>>>Keeping all the WMCCCs in Europe has effectively kept programs like Ferret and >>>>>Crafty away. >>>> >>>>Crafty played in the last WCCC and the commercial had no problem with it. >>> >>>Yes, Crafty was fourth. I forgot about that. Jonny also gave them problems, >>>drawing each of the top 3 commercial engines. >>> >>>>>Beating up the pros has done the same for the online contest. Why will they >>>>>come and compete if they think that they might lose to a freeware program? >>>>>It won't do anything positive for sales and it might do something negative (if >>>>>-- for instance -- Mark Weeks got hold of it.). >>>> >>>>I think that the commercial are not afraid of playing. >>>>The reason that they do not play is simply that the tournament is not more >>>>important than other tournaments like WBEC. >>> >>>Then what explains their active participation in the past? >>> >>>WBEC is a Winboard tournament. Junior, Fritz and other ChessBase engines are >>>not able to play in it. The engines that do participate must be able to do it >>>and are decided upon by Leo Dijksman. The engine manufacturers have no say in >>>it, unless they send him a letter and say the engines cannot be used. >> >>Now after polyglot it is also tournament of UCI engines. >> >>Adam,Fruit,List Maestro,Muse,Shredder,sos ,Tao are playing with polyglot based >>on WBEC page. > >List and Tao (at least) have a Winboard interface, unless they removed it. > >>>>Shredder7.04 is participating and winning. >>>>Junior and Fritz do not participate and the reason is not that they are afraid >>>>to lose. >>>> >>>>Now they can participate by supporting winboard or UCI. >>> >>>Are those engines incapable of kibitzing online? >> >>I do not know and it is possible that it is the problem. >>I remember that Junior had problems with it and only thanks to some help that >>Amir got he solved it. >> >>> >>>>They go to WCCC only because a tournament with human operators is simply more >>>>important for the media relative to tournament that is played automatically in >>>>the internet. >>> >>>If this reason were true, then why did they participate in the past? If the >>>only reason is contact and not commerical bragging rights, then there is no >>>reason for them to play in the previous contests but they did. >> >>As far as I know Junior played with an experimental version that was weaker than >>Junior8. > >This is a common ploy (e.g. it's not Fritz, it's Quest, and it's not Junior, >it's JuniorX, etc.). I believe that the reason they do that is to have an out. >"It was the experimental version that lost." But if they win, there will be no >mention of the experimental status. They mentioned that it was an experimental version before the tournament. > >>They can participate but my opinion is that they do not care much about the >>results for sales and if they do not it is not because they are afraid to lose. > >If the reason is that they do not care about online contests, then they would >not have played in previous contests. Junior played only for testing their program. I have no knowledge that says that they will not play in this contest. I believe that they do care about sales, >because that is how they make money. Yes but results of CCT do not change much their sales and more people know about tournaments like WCCC and not about that tournament. It is also one of the problems of becoming >a professional programmer. Now you have strings attached to things that may >even prevent you from doing what you would really like do to. If they are sure >that they are going to win, I think they would enter. Why not? > >Every argument should point out why they thought it was a good idea before, but >now suddenly they no longer want to play. I do not see that now they want less than previous time. There is a lot of time until the tournament. Uri
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