Author: chandler yergin
Date: 19:35:28 01/08/05
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On January 08, 2005 at 21:40:12, odell jones wrote:
>On January 08, 2005 at 20:21:56, chandler yergin wrote:
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>>On January 08, 2005 at 18:00:30, Derek Paquette wrote:
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>>>We've seen Junior and fritz play kramnik and kasparov,.. fritz more than once.
>>>Does anyone know if Kasparov/kramnik/topolov will ever get to play Shredder?
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>>>At the Men vs Machine world championship, shredder was absent.
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>>>when are we going to get to see shredder play a MATCH vs a super grandmaster,
>>>and a high profile one at that.
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>>>Anyone heard anything? Anyone know anything about this subject??
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>>>Why not have the strongest computer program playing the humans, atleast ONCE.
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>>The ELO Performance Rating of the TOP Programs approaches ELO = 2600
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>Where do you get 2600 from??? The Evidence suggest much higher
I refer you to a Post and Dialog I had on CTF
Thanks for input..
>>Hiarcs 8 appears to have the largest & up to date Opening Book of all the Top
>>Programs.
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>I disagree on that, the size of an opening book has very little to do with
>quality. Currently there are 3 opening book experts in the world, 1) Sandro
>Necchi (Shredder), 2) Aleander Kure (ChessBase), Jeroen Noomen (Rebel, Chess
>Tiger). The author of the Hiarcs opening books I don't consider as a leading
>expert.
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>I am not sure about GM Boris Alterman (Junior) and Dan Wulff (Gandalf) as true
>experts, they could be but I don't know their work quite well. By a true expert
>I mean those people who are walking encyclopedia's when you talk with them about
>computer opening theory. Or, when you hear them debating, you don't believe your
>ears, they know every dusty place of their large opening books of often more
>than 500,000 positions.
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>>Yet Shredder 8 keeps on going and winning.. so it has to be something
>>else.
>>What?
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>Better search + better chess knowledge. What else?
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>Ed
That must be it! Congrats to the Programmers! Awesome!
I was looking for a relationship between the Opening Tree & Performance.
Perhaps you can comment on this.. or see some relationship
Hiarchs 8 Opening Tree based on 1,323,335 Games Ave Elo 2403 Perf. 2436
Fritz 8 Opening Tree Based on 122,921 Games Ave Elo 2573 Perf. 2619
Fritz 7 Opening Tree Based on 239,391 Games Ave Elo 2549 Perf. 2582
Shredder 8 Opening Tree Based on 520,335 Games Ave ELO 2510 Perf. 2544
Fritz 5.32 Opening Tree Based on 110,503 Games Ave Elo 2537 Perf. 2584
I note also that the Source of the Fritz Games are those
published in Chessbase Magazine.
Each Version of Fritz of course has more Chessbase Magazine published games.
Anyway... I'll turn 'my' Ponder off, and wait for your comment if any.
;)
Chan
So, Odell, If you can "refute" the above..please do so..
Or
STFU!
CY
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>>Kasparov is/was = 2830 The strongest Player in History!
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>>Progerams have NO intelligence.. they Store & Retrieve Data!
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>>What they play in the Opening is GM Moves.. played before!
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>>Why would those who know this.. have much interest in a Match like that?
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>>People go to Car Races to see someone Crash into a Wall.
>>People watch Human vs Computers to see the Human fall into a Position where the
>>EGTB's take over.
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>>Fritz Programs have a BUG!
>>Other Programs have BUGS!
>>The Human.. using the Programs with BUGS; Figure out 'what' the BUG IS,
>>and learn how to play to exploit the weakness.
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>>Cars go faster than Horses... so what?
>>Peple still like to watch Horses.
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>>Others don't care, and like to watch Cars.
>>So What?
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>>Are you getting my point?
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