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Subject: Re: Analysis question for these 2 EPD positions

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:28:07 01/09/05

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On January 09, 2005 at 02:51:43, Les Fernandez wrote:

>On January 09, 2005 at 02:48:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 09, 2005 at 02:42:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On January 09, 2005 at 00:45:33, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>>
>>>>Following are 2 positions that I would like analyzed so that I can compare the
>>>>times it takes to solve these 2 positions on several differnet engines.  Can a
>>>>few of you run, using different engines, these 2 positions and report the amount
>>>>of time it takes to find the mate move along with the move?  After I get a few
>>>>analyses and have had time to review them I will report back with my results.
>>>>
>>>>Position #1
>>>>
>>>>[D]1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 b - -
>>>
>>>Fruit2(fast) solve both positions at depth 4 in less than a second.
>>>
>>>New game,
>>>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Analysis by Fruit 2.0:
>>>
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bd6 3.bxc6 bxc6
>>>  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 1/10   00:00:00
>>>1...Bxg3+ 2.Ke3 Qf4+ 3.Kd3 Bxe1 4.Qxe1
>>>  ยต  (-0.98)   Depth: 1/10   00:00:00
>>>1...Bxg3+ 2.Ke3 Qe6+ 3.Ne5 Bxe1 4.Qxe1 Nxe5 5.dxe5 Qxe5+ 6.Kd3
>>>  -+  (-2.47)   Depth: 2/19   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxg3+ 2.Ke3 Bf5 3.Bd3 Re8+ 4.Ne4 dxe4
>>>  -+  (-2.77)   Depth: 2/19   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bxe1 5.Qxe1
>>>  -+  (-7.13)   Depth: 2/19   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Nf4 5.Bf1 Bxe1 6.Qxe1
>>>  -+  (-7.43)   Depth: 3/19   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bg2+ 5.Kxg2 Qf2+ 6.Kh1 Rf5 7.Bf1 Rh5+
>>>8.Bh3 Rxh3+ 9.Nh2 Rxh2#
>>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 4/25   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bg2+ 5.Kxg2 Qf2+ 6.Kh1 Rf5 7.Bf1 Rh5+
>>>8.Bh3 Rxh3+ 9.Nh2 Rxh2#
>>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 5/25   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bg2+ 5.Kxg2 Qf2+ 6.Kh1 Rf5 7.Bf1 Rh5+
>>>8.Bh3 Rxh3+ 9.Nh2 Rxh2#
>>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 6/25   00:00:01  1505kN
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bg2+ 5.Kxg2 Qf2+ 6.Kh1 Rf5 7.Bf1 Rh5+
>>>8.Bh3 Rxh3+ 9.Nh2 Rxh2#
>>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:05  5391kN
>>>
>>>(, MyTown 09.01.2005)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Position #2
>>>>
>>>>[D]1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 b - -
>>>
>>>New game,
>>>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Analysis by Fruit 2.0:
>>>
>>>1...Qxa3 2.bxc6 bxc6
>>>  -+  (-3.08)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxa3 2.Qc2
>>>  -+  (-3.02)   Depth: 2/12   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bxe1 5.Qxe1
>>>  -+  (-7.13)   Depth: 2/15   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Nf4 5.Bf1 Bxe1 6.Qxe1
>>>  -+  (-7.43)   Depth: 3/19   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bg2+ 5.Kxg2 Qf2+ 6.Kh1 Rf5 7.Bf1 Rh5+
>>>8.Bh3 Rxh3+ 9.Nh2 Rxh2#
>>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 4/25   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bg2+ 5.Kxg2 Qf2+ 6.Kh1 Rf5 7.Bf1 Rh5+
>>>8.Bh3 Rxh3+ 9.Nh2 Rxh2#
>>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 5/25   00:00:00
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bg2+ 5.Kxg2 Qf2+ 6.Kh1 Rf5 7.Bf1 Rh5+
>>>8.Bh3 Rxh3+ 9.Nh2 Rxh2#
>>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 6/25   00:00:00  925kN
>>>1...Qxd4+ 2.Re3 Bxg3+ 3.Kg1 Qxe3+ 4.Kh1 Bg2+ 5.Kxg2 Qf2+ 6.Kh1 Rf5 7.Bf1 Rh5+
>>>8.Bh3 Rxh3+ 9.Nh2 Rxh2#
>>>  -+  (-#9)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:03  3209kN
>>>
>>>(, MyTown 09.01.2005)
>>
>>checking some more programs suggest that movei is extremely slow here and other
>>programs that I tried solve it in smaller depth than depth 12.
>>
>>Maybe the problem is pruning because it is not interested in mate when it can
>>see a big score.
>
>Uri after I get the needed data I think you may find what I am looking at
>particularly interesting or atleast I hope so.  I will make sure you are aware
>when I post it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Les


I will check it later but I guess that there is some bug in my qsearch and maybe
also in other pruning.

Fruit get mate score ast depth 1 when movei including the public version needs
depth 4 for the same purpose.

main line at depth 1 is 1.Nf1 Rh5+ 2.N1h2 Rxh2+ 3.N3xh2 Qxe1+??

For some reason Qxh2# is not searched in the qsearch and at depth 1 it must be
the qsearch.



Fruit 2.0 - ,a, 40'/40 MyTown
6k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p1r2/P7/5Nb1/3NBq2/3QR2K w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.0:

7.bxc6 Rh5+ 8.Nh2 Rxh2#
  -+  (-#2)   Depth: 1/14   00:00:00
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 1/14   00:00:00
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 2/16   00:00:00
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 3/16   00:00:00
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 4/16   00:00:00
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  9kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  11kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:00  12kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 9/16   00:00:00  14kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 10/16   00:00:00  16kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 11/16   00:00:00  17kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 12/16   00:00:01  19kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 13/16   00:00:01  21kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 14/16   00:00:01  23kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 15/16   00:00:01  25kN
7.Nf1 Rh5+ 8.N1h2 Rxh2+ 9.Nxh2 Qxh2#
  -+  (-#3)   Depth: 16/16   00:00:01  26kN

(, MyTown 09.01.2005)




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