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Subject: Re: Fruit 2 and endgame play

Author: Anthony Cozzie

Date: 07:54:26 01/12/05

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On January 12, 2005 at 02:33:38, Jouni Uski wrote:

>In my (private) endgame testsuite Fruit scored better than some programs
>with tablebase support (e.g. Junior8 and Crafty). Quite stunning - it seems,
>that excellent search depth compensates TBs! And my suite has some 5/6 piece
>positions were TB access is definitely advantage.
>
>Jouni

IMO the 5-piece tablebases are just not that interesting and really not worth
that much in terms of elo.  A little endgame knowledge can cover most of the
positions and be a lot faster too.  The tables still help, but its not a killer
advantage, say 10-20 elo.  Every 10 games or so the side with the tables picks
up a half point.

However, the 6-man tables are a COMPLETELY different story.  Think about all the
interesting 6-man tables:

KXPPKX
KXKPPP
K[BN]PPKR
KRBPKQ

and the list goes on. I suspect a full 6-man set is worth 100 elo at least.
This is why I keep pestering Skinner to let me download some of them :)

And when the 7-man tables are finished? (2010 or so :))  Computers will become
invincible in the ending, as they win all "simple" endings like KQPPKQP with
ease.

anthony



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