Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:27:11 01/12/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 14:26:59, Dann Corbit wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 14:02:53, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 13:01:29, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2005 at 12:42:05, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>> >>>>So let me see if I understand this conversation correctly. >>>> >>>>1. I state that the 6 man tables are worth 100 elo >>> >>>I thought you were joking, but obviously I was wrong. >>> >> >>I have no quantitative way of accurately guessing this too - but "depends on >>program" maynot be a wrong statement ? >>And both are definitely agreeing that there is a non-trivial improvement in >>performance - right ? Then why disagree for the sake of disagreeing !!!! >> >> >>>> >>>>2. You disagree, and state they are worth 50 elo >>>> >>>>3. You do this by pulling numbers out of your *** >>>> >>>>4. Since the full 6-man set hasn't been generated, and the elo gain is almost >>>>certainly different for different programs, we are both guessing. >>> >>>Yes, but in this case Uri's guess is much more educated. >> >>Hmm , I dont see how - just 'cos there was a "women" reference ? :) >>Jokes apart - the point to be taken is - they could be a SIGNIFICANT improvement >>: and would be the world of difference between a loss and a draw (or a draw and >>a win). >>Depends on how you eval , and what you do in your search (extensions and qsearch >>/threat detection). >>Ofcourse , if you have a junk endgame eval with quiet decent middle game eval - >>your improvement can be much higher than what both of them quote ! >> >>But are we not quibbling over nitty gritty details ?? 50 , 100 , 125 - what does >>it matter : it would be a substantial improvement !!! > >In 20 years, we might be able to memory map the whole 6 man set. >That would yield a stupendous Elo increase for endgames. in 20 years computers will be very fast. faster computer mean less blunders without tablebases and mean that tablebases are less important. I suspect that if you wait 20 years more than 90% of the comp-comp games in the high level will be drawn even without the 6 piece set and 6 piece set will have smaller influence relative to the influence that it has today. Uri
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