Author: chandler yergin
Date: 15:46:12 01/12/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 18:21:14, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 18:00:30, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 17:43:45, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2005 at 17:26:40, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On January 12, 2005 at 13:31:16, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>[snip] >>>>>>This is why I keep pestering Skinner to let me download some of them :) >>>>>> >>>>>>And when the 7-man tables are finished? (2010 or so :)) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Not in your lifetime! >>>> >>>>All the essential files will be done before long. >>>>KQQQQQk is not very interesing, for instance. >>>> >>>>>> Computers will become >>>>>>invincible in the ending, as they win all "simple" endings like KQPPKQP with >>>>>>ease. >>>>>> >>>>>>anthony >>>>> >>>>> Not until you get the BUGS out of the Programs. >>>>>Humans still Rule; NOT Silicon Chips! >>>> >>>>Humans also have flaws in their analysis. Eventually, computers will win every >>>>game, because humans advance slowly and compute power advances exponentially. >>>> >>>>It is simply inevitable >>> >>>It is not so clear. >>> >>>If the game is complicated enough computers will eventually win every game but >>>if the game is simple enough humans may play perfect at least in part of the >>>games and get draws. >>> >>>It is not clear that chess is complicated enough so humans cannot avoid drawing >>>against computers. >> >>YES! They can Draw! >> >>> >>>A deterministic machine will be unable to win every game because human who want >>>to draw it will need only to learn the moves of game of that machine against >>>itself and use them. >> >>What do you call a 'deterministic' machine? > >deterministic machine is machine that always play the same move from the same >position. > >>Computers "Store & Retrieve Information. They have NO intelligence! >>I'm glad you realize that! > >Computers need no intelligence to be not deterministic. > >Changing the weight of the evaluations by some small random number can cause >them to choose different move. > >> >>Look at the EPD Test Positions.. How many Programs Fail to Solve them? >>Hmmmm? > >Computers get bettter and better and I do not claim that it is impossible that >in the future they will solve every chess problem. I DO! > >probably you will not live to see it but it is possible that younger people than >you may see it. Nonsense! > >>How many make D-U-M-B mistakes...? >>Hmmmm? >>Computers will NEVER Solve Chess! >>Period! > >Not in the near future but I cannot be sure of never. I can! > >I cannot be sure that it is impossible that humans will invent some algorithm to >detect illogical moves and by pruning them will solve chess. You fail to grasp the Obvious! > >It is also possible that if computers search deep enough they will practically >solve chess and inspite of no proof that they solve chess nobody will be able to >beat them even with take back. Nonsense! Your enamoration for a man-made machine is tooo much! I don't buy it! There is not a Database large enough or a Program 'smart enough, or the time long enough to 'solve' what is for all practical purposes 'infinite' possibilities. Your Hard Drive can be spinning until the Universe is a Cold Dark Place.. and NOT SOLVE CHESS! Period! If you don't like to consider Cold.. then until "HELL FREEZES OVER" You spout Nonsense! > >It is possible that some smart evaluation+ some smart search are enough to play >always the best move(except maybe not finding the fastest mate that is not >important for the result) without proving that the program always play the best >move. > >Uri > > >>No "Proof" can be submitted until every possible combination has been "Brute >>Forced". >>That.. is an impossibility! >> >>Your ELO Ratings for Computers is "Greatly" Overinflated... >>CY >> >>> >>>The only chance of machines to win every game is in case that they have >>>something not deterministic in their choice. >>> >>>I doubt if it is possible to do in chess. >> >>Thank YOU! >>Programs are a TOOL! >>Some of you Programmers don't even understand how to use them! >>> >>>Uri
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