Author: KarinsDad
Date: 15:13:22 01/22/99
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On January 22, 1999 at 17:27:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: [snip] > >here is the main problem: Anonymous folks _can_ and _do_ cause problems. Sean >is one, Rolf's alter-egos on r.g.c.c are another example. Note that CCC is a >'privately run' deal with volunteers. If anonymous jerks are going to cause >problems, the 'volunteers' either have to deal with it or fix it. It is better >to eliminate the problem than to have the 'project' fold and go under. That is >what worries me... a couple of anonymous folks is _all_ it takes to wreck havoc >for months, because they keep coming back over and over. And the 'volunteers' >pretty soon get tired of volunteering, and we fall apart... > [snip] > >of course not, but the group does have the right to say "no more anonymous >posters, even one causes too many problems to make it worth all the other >'good' anonymous members." > [snip] > >you are on the wrong tack here. The _problem_ is the ones that come here, >erupt, get kicked off, return as another user, and so forth. _not_ the ones >that act responsible like you. But 1 anonymous hell-raiser can leave such a >bad taste... from experience... > [snip] Now I think I understand the real concern here. It is an issue of responsible individuals vs irresponsible ones. The handles or names are irrelevant. If someone uses a real sounding name (or sets of names) and causes problems, the natural reaction (once that person's identity on multiple accounts is brought to light) is to say, well this person was not using his/her real name, hence, he/she was anonymous. It doesn't matter if real sounding names or handle sounding names were used. They were still anonymous. Hence, when someone like myself joins the group, the instant gut reaction is (for some people) "Oh no, another anonymous person, it could be another trouble maker." as opposed to "Oh, here is someone new. I wonder what s/he has to say?". Anonymous becomes associated with potential trouble maker and although part of this occurred on CCC, a lot more of it occurs on rgcc, ICC, fics, and other places. However, the people who frequent a lot of public sites as well as this private one, bring their wariness from those sites with them here. Therefore, the obvious solution for these multi-site individuals is to eliminate anonymous users completely in an attempt to minimize any problems here. Since there is currently no mechanism to differentiate between responsible individuals and irresponsible individuals from joining the group, it would seem that the current moderator system is what we have to rely on. The group could vote as you suggest to prevent future people from entering anonymously, but what would that accomplish? So they sign on as Joseph Krammer. So they sign on with 30 real sounding name accounts. They're in and there is no way to prevent them from causing havoc. Now a system that authenticated the real user with their name in the group (whatever that may be) would minimize problems, but we do not have it yet (and I doubt one will ever be in place). Thanks for clearing that up for me Robert. KarinsDad
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