Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 17:21:29 01/12/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 20:02:33, chandler yergin wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 19:54:14, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 19:27:05, chandler yergin wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:11:12, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:04:31, chandler yergin wrote: >>>> >>>>>So says Mark Twain.... >>>>> >>>>>You Programmers are spreading lies, misinformation, & disinformation. >>>>> >>>>>However I should not attribute to Malice, what can be explained by Ignorance! >>>>> >>>>>Computers will NEVER SOLVE CHESS! >>>>>Stop your Nonsense! >>>> >>>>If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings. >>>>Man will never fly faster than sound. >>>>Man will never go to the moon. >>>> >>>>Things that seem impossible quickly become possible. >>>> >>>>In this particular case, it is even obvious mathematically how it will come >>>>about. >>> >>>If you understood Mathmatics, you wouldn't say that! >>> >>>It IS Obvious, that it's an Impossibility! >>> >>>The Question of "whether or not God exists" is a Philosophical & Meataphysical >>>Question. >>>Would you agree? >>> >>>Some say.. "It can't be Proven". >>>With a Philosophical Question, there are NO 'right or wrong' answers... >>> >>>With Mathmatics, there ARE 'right & wrong' answers. >>> >>>Your perception is in error! >>> >>>THINK! >>> >>>"In a tree, from the Starting Position, there are 20 possible moves for white. >>>There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does. >>>Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000 >>>for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all >>>possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about >>>1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>000,000,000,000, or 10^120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For >>>example, there have only been 10^26 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are >>>thought to be only 10^75 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that >>>the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of >>>galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed >>>by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game!" >>> >>>NOW, Do you want to "Disprove" this... >>>OR, >>>Re-think your position? >>> >>>HMMMMM? >>>Stop the Nonsense! >> >>You do not have to calculate all the games. You only have to calculate all the >>positions. There are about 10^43 of them: >>http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Chess.html >> >>KD has encoded chess positions into 162 bits, which gives an absolute upper >>maximum on the number of board positions as: >>2^162 = 5846006549323611672814739330865132078623730171904 possible positions. >>(about 5.846e48) >> >>So, if we take that figure, then we would need a tree of sqrt(5.846e48) = >>2417851639229258349412352 positions (which is less than one mole of them) to >>store a complete solution tree. >> >>This was proven by Knuth in 1972. >> >>There are some other things that the programmer would have to track (hmc and >>3-way repeat, for instance) but that is trivial. >> >>My brother in law's father has a patent on a storage medium that will hold a >>terrabyte per square centimeter. So the storage for such a collection is >>already nearly possible. That would require 2417851639229 square centimeters, >>which is 241785163 square meters = 241 square kilometers. >>Since there are 230.4 acres per square kilometer, that means we would need a >>mere 55,430 acres of the stuff. >> >>If someone were to invest a few billion dollars, we could do it today. But we >>may as well wait 40 years, in which time it will cost a few pennies to do it. > > >NONSENSE! >You can put all 6 Billion people of the world in the State of Texas too... > and have room left over. So what? > >Mathmatically.. Chess, as I showed has 10^ 120th Power possible number of >moves... in an "Average Game!" >Increase that by a move or two, and the number of possible moves IS almost >"infinite" You do not have to solve the moves. You only need to know the best move from each position. >You, are convincing no one.. well maybe some, but certainly NOT ME! I do not expect to convince you. You aren't listening.
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