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Subject: Re: Lies.. Damn Lies & Statistics!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 17:52:54 01/12/05

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On January 12, 2005 at 20:34:47, chandler yergin wrote:

>On January 12, 2005 at 20:13:48, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 12, 2005 at 20:06:40, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:57:17, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:49:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:45:00, gerold daniels wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:27:05, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:11:12, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:04:31, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So says Mark Twain....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You Programmers are spreading lies, misinformation, & disinformation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>However I should not attribute to Malice, what can be explained by Ignorance!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Computers will NEVER SOLVE CHESS!
>>>>>>>>>Stop your Nonsense!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings.
>>>>>>>>Man will never fly faster than sound.
>>>>>>>>Man will never go to the moon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Things that seem impossible quickly become possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In this particular case, it is even obvious mathematically how it will come
>>>>>>>>about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you understood Mathmatics, you wouldn't say that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It IS Obvious, that it's an Impossibility!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Question of "whether or not God exists" is a Philosophical & Meataphysical
>>>>>>>Question.
>>>>>>>Would you agree?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some say.. "It can't be Proven".
>>>>>>>With a Philosophical Question, there are NO 'right or wrong' answers...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With Mathmatics, there ARE 'right & wrong' answers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your perception is in error!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>THINK!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"In a tree,  from the Starting Position, there are 20 possible moves for white.
>>>>>>>There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does.
>>>>>>>Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000
>>>>>>>for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all
>>>>>>>possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about
>>>>>>>1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>>000,000,000,000, or 10^120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For
>>>>>>>example, there have only been 10^26 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are
>>>>>>>thought to be only 10^75 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that
>>>>>>>the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of
>>>>>>>galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed
>>>>>>>by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>NOW, Do you want to "Disprove" this...
>>>>>>>OR,
>>>>>>>Re-think your position?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>HMMMMM?
>>>>>>>Stop the Nonsense!
>>>>>>>CY
>>>>>>
>>>>>>good evening chess programs have just begun.in 5 years no man will be able to
>>>>>>beat a good chess program. think of how many men today can beat the top 5
>>>>>>engines.as far as the perfect chess program that is many years off with the
>>>>>>computers of today it won,t happen. but in 4 or 5 years the computer and the
>>>>>>software that run them will be a lot diff. and so will the language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>good luck gerold.
>>>>>
>>>>>Computers will play better but the question is if humans cannot also learn to
>>>>>play better thanks to better programs to teach them.
>>>>>
>>>>>There is a lot of progress in playing strength of chess programs but no progress
>>>>>or almost no progress in programs to teach humans to play better.
>>>>>
>>>>>If somebody in the near future is going to develop a good program to teach the
>>>>>GM's to play better you may see better results of GM's against computers in
>>>>>2006-2007.
>>>>
>>>>In order for humans to keep up, they must learn exponentially over time.
>>>>I don't think that they can do this.
>>>
>>>Computer "store & retrieve"... they have NO intelligence!
>>>They are a TOOL!
>>>Get it?
>>>Humans advance Theory... Computers Store & retrieve it!
>>>DUH!
>>
>>computers also advance theory and part of the novelties that GM played are
>>thanks to analysis with computers.
>>
>>Uri
>
>YES! Advanced Chess is where New Theory will come from...
>Humans USING Computers! NOT Computers advancing Theory by themselves...
>The Poor Creatures have NO INTELLIGENCE! They rely on Humans...
>Don't they?

They rely on humans for now.  Eventually, they will program themselves and do it
much better than us.  By the year 2049 a single computer will have the
intelligence of every human on earth put together.  We will be pitifully stupid
by comparison.

In twenty years, I doubt if humans will have any clue compared to a computer as
far as chess analysis is concerned.  It will be like a 5 year old trying to play
Kasparov.  What can he tell Kasparov that he does not already know?

Obviously nothing at all.



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