Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 17:52:54 01/12/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 20:34:47, chandler yergin wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 20:13:48, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 20:06:40, chandler yergin wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:57:17, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:49:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:45:00, gerold daniels wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:27:05, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:11:12, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:04:31, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So says Mark Twain.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You Programmers are spreading lies, misinformation, & disinformation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>However I should not attribute to Malice, what can be explained by Ignorance! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Computers will NEVER SOLVE CHESS! >>>>>>>>>Stop your Nonsense! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings. >>>>>>>>Man will never fly faster than sound. >>>>>>>>Man will never go to the moon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Things that seem impossible quickly become possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In this particular case, it is even obvious mathematically how it will come >>>>>>>>about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If you understood Mathmatics, you wouldn't say that! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It IS Obvious, that it's an Impossibility! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The Question of "whether or not God exists" is a Philosophical & Meataphysical >>>>>>>Question. >>>>>>>Would you agree? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Some say.. "It can't be Proven". >>>>>>>With a Philosophical Question, there are NO 'right or wrong' answers... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>With Mathmatics, there ARE 'right & wrong' answers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Your perception is in error! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>THINK! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"In a tree, from the Starting Position, there are 20 possible moves for white. >>>>>>>There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does. >>>>>>>Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000 >>>>>>>for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all >>>>>>>possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about >>>>>>>1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>000,000,000,000, or 10^120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For >>>>>>>example, there have only been 10^26 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are >>>>>>>thought to be only 10^75 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that >>>>>>>the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of >>>>>>>galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed >>>>>>>by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>NOW, Do you want to "Disprove" this... >>>>>>>OR, >>>>>>>Re-think your position? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>HMMMMM? >>>>>>>Stop the Nonsense! >>>>>>>CY >>>>>> >>>>>>good evening chess programs have just begun.in 5 years no man will be able to >>>>>>beat a good chess program. think of how many men today can beat the top 5 >>>>>>engines.as far as the perfect chess program that is many years off with the >>>>>>computers of today it won,t happen. but in 4 or 5 years the computer and the >>>>>>software that run them will be a lot diff. and so will the language. >>>>>> >>>>>>good luck gerold. >>>>> >>>>>Computers will play better but the question is if humans cannot also learn to >>>>>play better thanks to better programs to teach them. >>>>> >>>>>There is a lot of progress in playing strength of chess programs but no progress >>>>>or almost no progress in programs to teach humans to play better. >>>>> >>>>>If somebody in the near future is going to develop a good program to teach the >>>>>GM's to play better you may see better results of GM's against computers in >>>>>2006-2007. >>>> >>>>In order for humans to keep up, they must learn exponentially over time. >>>>I don't think that they can do this. >>> >>>Computer "store & retrieve"... they have NO intelligence! >>>They are a TOOL! >>>Get it? >>>Humans advance Theory... Computers Store & retrieve it! >>>DUH! >> >>computers also advance theory and part of the novelties that GM played are >>thanks to analysis with computers. >> >>Uri > >YES! Advanced Chess is where New Theory will come from... >Humans USING Computers! NOT Computers advancing Theory by themselves... >The Poor Creatures have NO INTELLIGENCE! They rely on Humans... >Don't they? They rely on humans for now. Eventually, they will program themselves and do it much better than us. By the year 2049 a single computer will have the intelligence of every human on earth put together. We will be pitifully stupid by comparison. In twenty years, I doubt if humans will have any clue compared to a computer as far as chess analysis is concerned. It will be like a 5 year old trying to play Kasparov. What can he tell Kasparov that he does not already know? Obviously nothing at all.
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