Author: chandler yergin
Date: 18:15:12 01/12/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 20:52:54, Dann Corbit wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 20:34:47, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 20:13:48, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2005 at 20:06:40, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:57:17, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:49:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:45:00, gerold daniels wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:27:05, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:11:12, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:04:31, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So says Mark Twain.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>You Programmers are spreading lies, misinformation, & disinformation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>However I should not attribute to Malice, what can be explained by Ignorance! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Computers will NEVER SOLVE CHESS! >>>>>>>>>>Stop your Nonsense! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings. >>>>>>>>>Man will never fly faster than sound. >>>>>>>>>Man will never go to the moon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Things that seem impossible quickly become possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In this particular case, it is even obvious mathematically how it will come >>>>>>>>>about. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you understood Mathmatics, you wouldn't say that! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It IS Obvious, that it's an Impossibility! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The Question of "whether or not God exists" is a Philosophical & Meataphysical >>>>>>>>Question. >>>>>>>>Would you agree? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some say.. "It can't be Proven". >>>>>>>>With a Philosophical Question, there are NO 'right or wrong' answers... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>With Mathmatics, there ARE 'right & wrong' answers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your perception is in error! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>THINK! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"In a tree, from the Starting Position, there are 20 possible moves for white. >>>>>>>>There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does. >>>>>>>>Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000 >>>>>>>>for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all >>>>>>>>possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about >>>>>>>>1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>>000,000,000,000, or 10^120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For >>>>>>>>example, there have only been 10^26 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are >>>>>>>>thought to be only 10^75 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that >>>>>>>>the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of >>>>>>>>galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed >>>>>>>>by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>NOW, Do you want to "Disprove" this... >>>>>>>>OR, >>>>>>>>Re-think your position? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>HMMMMM? >>>>>>>>Stop the Nonsense! >>>>>>>>CY >>>>>>> >>>>>>>good evening chess programs have just begun.in 5 years no man will be able to >>>>>>>beat a good chess program. think of how many men today can beat the top 5 >>>>>>>engines.as far as the perfect chess program that is many years off with the >>>>>>>computers of today it won,t happen. but in 4 or 5 years the computer and the >>>>>>>software that run them will be a lot diff. and so will the language. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>good luck gerold. >>>>>> >>>>>>Computers will play better but the question is if humans cannot also learn to >>>>>>play better thanks to better programs to teach them. >>>>>> >>>>>>There is a lot of progress in playing strength of chess programs but no progress >>>>>>or almost no progress in programs to teach humans to play better. >>>>>> >>>>>>If somebody in the near future is going to develop a good program to teach the >>>>>>GM's to play better you may see better results of GM's against computers in >>>>>>2006-2007. >>>>> >>>>>In order for humans to keep up, they must learn exponentially over time. >>>>>I don't think that they can do this. >>>> >>>>Computer "store & retrieve"... they have NO intelligence! >>>>They are a TOOL! >>>>Get it? >>>>Humans advance Theory... Computers Store & retrieve it! >>>>DUH! >>> >>>computers also advance theory and part of the novelties that GM played are >>>thanks to analysis with computers. >>> >>>Uri >> >>YES! Advanced Chess is where New Theory will come from... >>Humans USING Computers! NOT Computers advancing Theory by themselves... >>The Poor Creatures have NO INTELLIGENCE! They rely on Humans... >>Don't they? > >They rely on humans for now. Eventually, they will program themselves and do it >much better than us. By the year 2049 a single computer will have the >intelligence of every human on earth put together. MORE NONSENSE! You sound like Graham Laight! They will NOT even be Close! This is the "Dumbest Post" I've seen ya make! > We will be pitifully stupid >by comparison. LUDICRIOUS! I scoff.. with good reason That Concept is IDIOCY! > >In twenty years, I doubt if humans will have any clue compared to a computer as >far as chess analysis is concerned. It will be like a 5 year old trying to play >Kasparov. YOU, are sounding like a 4 year old... Pouting in the Closet.. when his mother told him "There is no Santa Claus.." He pouts and cries.. and says.. "I wish you hadn't told me." Well I've told ya! Go hide your Easter Eggs... What can he tell Kasparov that he does not already know? > >Obviously nothing at all.
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