Author: chandler yergin
Date: 18:23:51 01/12/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 21:07:14, James T. Walker wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 20:06:40, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 19:57:17, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:49:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:45:00, gerold daniels wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:27:05, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:11:12, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:04:31, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So says Mark Twain.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You Programmers are spreading lies, misinformation, & disinformation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>However I should not attribute to Malice, what can be explained by Ignorance! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Computers will NEVER SOLVE CHESS! >>>>>>>>Stop your Nonsense! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings. >>>>>>>Man will never fly faster than sound. >>>>>>>Man will never go to the moon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Things that seem impossible quickly become possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In this particular case, it is even obvious mathematically how it will come >>>>>>>about. >>>>>> >>>>>>If you understood Mathmatics, you wouldn't say that! >>>>>> >>>>>>It IS Obvious, that it's an Impossibility! >>>>>> >>>>>>The Question of "whether or not God exists" is a Philosophical & Meataphysical >>>>>>Question. >>>>>>Would you agree? >>>>>> >>>>>>Some say.. "It can't be Proven". >>>>>>With a Philosophical Question, there are NO 'right or wrong' answers... >>>>>> >>>>>>With Mathmatics, there ARE 'right & wrong' answers. >>>>>> >>>>>>Your perception is in error! >>>>>> >>>>>>THINK! >>>>>> >>>>>>"In a tree, from the Starting Position, there are 20 possible moves for white. >>>>>>There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does. >>>>>>Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000 >>>>>>for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all >>>>>>possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about >>>>>>1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>000,000,000,000, or 10^120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For >>>>>>example, there have only been 10^26 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are >>>>>>thought to be only 10^75 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that >>>>>>the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of >>>>>>galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed >>>>>>by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game!" >>>>>> >>>>>>NOW, Do you want to "Disprove" this... >>>>>>OR, >>>>>>Re-think your position? >>>>>> >>>>>>HMMMMM? >>>>>>Stop the Nonsense! >>>>>>CY >>>>> >>>>>good evening chess programs have just begun.in 5 years no man will be able to >>>>>beat a good chess program. think of how many men today can beat the top 5 >>>>>engines.as far as the perfect chess program that is many years off with the >>>>>computers of today it won,t happen. but in 4 or 5 years the computer and the >>>>>software that run them will be a lot diff. and so will the language. >>>>> >>>>>good luck gerold. >>>> >>>>Computers will play better but the question is if humans cannot also learn to >>>>play better thanks to better programs to teach them. >>>> >>>>There is a lot of progress in playing strength of chess programs but no progress >>>>or almost no progress in programs to teach humans to play better. >>>> >>>>If somebody in the near future is going to develop a good program to teach the >>>>GM's to play better you may see better results of GM's against computers in >>>>2006-2007. >>> >>>In order for humans to keep up, they must learn exponentially over time. >>>I don't think that they can do this. >> >>Computer "store & retrieve"... they have NO intelligence! >>They are a TOOL! >>Get it? >>Humans advance Theory... Computers Store & retrieve it! >>DUH! > >It sounds like you subscribe to the theory that computer programs cannot beat >their programmers since all they do is store and retrieve what the programmers >tell the to. ? Your statements are silly and way off base. Computers do have >intelligence (aritficial as it may be). But they can excel where humans fail >miserably. Even the humans that tell them what to do cannot then match their >abilities. Computers are advancing chess theory all the time. Just ask G. >Kasparov if he doesn't get some of his ideas from playing against computers. >Computers make unexpected moves which sometimes turn out to be great moves never >before played by people. They do it every day. Take any game where a GM lost >to a computer and show me where that exact game was played before. You may find >a few but there are many times more that were never played before. What does >that mean? It means the computer calculated a move never played before and it >was good enough to beat a GM. It has advanced theory untill someone/something >can prove it was a mistake. I can show you a LOT of DUMBASS MOVES THEY MAKE TOO!
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