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Subject: Re: Lies.. Damn Lies & Statistics!

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 18:23:51 01/12/05

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On January 12, 2005 at 21:07:14, James T. Walker wrote:

>On January 12, 2005 at 20:06:40, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:57:17, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:49:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:45:00, gerold daniels wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:27:05, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:11:12, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:04:31, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So says Mark Twain....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You Programmers are spreading lies, misinformation, & disinformation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>However I should not attribute to Malice, what can be explained by Ignorance!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Computers will NEVER SOLVE CHESS!
>>>>>>>>Stop your Nonsense!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings.
>>>>>>>Man will never fly faster than sound.
>>>>>>>Man will never go to the moon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Things that seem impossible quickly become possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In this particular case, it is even obvious mathematically how it will come
>>>>>>>about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you understood Mathmatics, you wouldn't say that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It IS Obvious, that it's an Impossibility!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Question of "whether or not God exists" is a Philosophical & Meataphysical
>>>>>>Question.
>>>>>>Would you agree?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some say.. "It can't be Proven".
>>>>>>With a Philosophical Question, there are NO 'right or wrong' answers...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>With Mathmatics, there ARE 'right & wrong' answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your perception is in error!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>THINK!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"In a tree,  from the Starting Position, there are 20 possible moves for white.
>>>>>>There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does.
>>>>>>Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000
>>>>>>for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all
>>>>>>possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about
>>>>>>1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>000,000,000,000, or 10^120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For
>>>>>>example, there have only been 10^26 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are
>>>>>>thought to be only 10^75 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that
>>>>>>the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of
>>>>>>galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed
>>>>>>by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NOW, Do you want to "Disprove" this...
>>>>>>OR,
>>>>>>Re-think your position?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>HMMMMM?
>>>>>>Stop the Nonsense!
>>>>>>CY
>>>>>
>>>>>good evening chess programs have just begun.in 5 years no man will be able to
>>>>>beat a good chess program. think of how many men today can beat the top 5
>>>>>engines.as far as the perfect chess program that is many years off with the
>>>>>computers of today it won,t happen. but in 4 or 5 years the computer and the
>>>>>software that run them will be a lot diff. and so will the language.
>>>>>
>>>>>good luck gerold.
>>>>
>>>>Computers will play better but the question is if humans cannot also learn to
>>>>play better thanks to better programs to teach them.
>>>>
>>>>There is a lot of progress in playing strength of chess programs but no progress
>>>>or almost no progress in programs to teach humans to play better.
>>>>
>>>>If somebody in the near future is going to develop a good program to teach the
>>>>GM's to play better you may see better results of GM's against computers in
>>>>2006-2007.
>>>
>>>In order for humans to keep up, they must learn exponentially over time.
>>>I don't think that they can do this.
>>
>>Computer "store & retrieve"... they have NO intelligence!
>>They are a TOOL!
>>Get it?
>>Humans advance Theory... Computers Store & retrieve it!
>>DUH!
>
>It sounds like you subscribe to the theory that computer programs cannot beat
>their programmers since all they do is store and retrieve what the programmers
>tell the to. ?  Your statements are silly and way off base.  Computers do have
>intelligence (aritficial as it may be).  But they can excel where humans fail
>miserably.  Even the humans that tell them what to do cannot then match their
>abilities.  Computers are advancing chess theory all the time.  Just ask G.
>Kasparov if he doesn't get some of his ideas from playing against computers.
>Computers make unexpected moves which sometimes turn out to be great moves never
>before played by people.  They do it every day.  Take any game where a GM lost
>to a computer and show me where that exact game was played before.  You may find
>a few but there are many times more that were never played before.  What does
>that mean?  It means the computer calculated a move never played before and it
>was good enough to beat a GM.  It has advanced theory untill someone/something
>can prove it was a mistake.


I can show you a LOT of DUMBASS MOVES THEY MAKE TOO!



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