Author: Vasik Rajlich
Date: 02:45:18 01/13/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 13:31:16, chandler yergin wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 10:54:26, Anthony Cozzie wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 02:33:38, Jouni Uski wrote: >> >>>In my (private) endgame testsuite Fruit scored better than some programs >>>with tablebase support (e.g. Junior8 and Crafty). > > >>Quite stunning - it seems, >>>that excellent search depth compensates TBs! > > Your opinion.. Provide evidence! > > And my suite has some 5/6 piece >>>positions were TB access is definitely advantage. >>> >>>Jouni >> >>IMO the 5-piece tablebases are just not that interesting and really not worth >>that much in terms of elo. > >What are the Current ELO Ratings for Top Programs, including yours? > >THey represents exact play, and all positions possible are immediatly shown. >What more can you expect? > > >> A little endgame knowledge can cover most of the >>positions and be a lot faster too. > >Absolute NONSENSE! > > The tables still help, but its not a killer >>advantage, say 10-20 elo. Every 10 games or so the side with the tables picks >>up a half point. >> >>However, the 6-man tables are a COMPLETELY different story. Think about all the >>interesting 6-man tables: >> >>KXPPKX >>KXKPPP >>K[BN]PPKR >>KRBPKQ >> >>and the list goes on. I suspect a full 6-man set is worth 100 elo at least. > >Nonsense! >A slight change of Material, a win of a Pawn, and you're right back to >5 man Tablebases! > > >>This is why I keep pestering Skinner to let me download some of them :) >> >>And when the 7-man tables are finished? (2010 or so :)) > > >Not in your lifetime! > >> Computers will become >>invincible in the ending, as they win all "simple" endings like KQPPKQP with >>ease. >> >>anthony > > Not until you get the BUGS out of the Programs. >Humans still Rule; NOT Silicon Chips! This reminds me of those old "Eliza" programs .. maybe a slightly more aggressive version. Vas
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