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Subject: Re: Fruit 2 and endgame play

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 02:45:18 01/13/05

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On January 12, 2005 at 13:31:16, chandler yergin wrote:

>On January 12, 2005 at 10:54:26, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>
>>On January 12, 2005 at 02:33:38, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>In my (private) endgame testsuite Fruit scored better than some programs
>>>with tablebase support (e.g. Junior8 and Crafty).
>
>
>>Quite stunning - it seems,
>>>that excellent search depth compensates TBs!
>
> Your opinion.. Provide evidence!
>
> And my suite has some 5/6 piece
>>>positions were TB access is definitely advantage.
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>IMO the 5-piece tablebases are just not that interesting and really not worth
>>that much in terms of elo.
>
>What are the Current ELO Ratings for Top Programs, including yours?
>
>THey represents exact play, and all positions possible are immediatly shown.
>What more can you expect?
>
>
>> A little endgame knowledge can cover most of the
>>positions and be a lot faster too.
>
>Absolute NONSENSE!
>
> The tables still help, but its not a killer
>>advantage, say 10-20 elo.  Every 10 games or so the side with the tables picks
>>up a half point.
>>
>>However, the 6-man tables are a COMPLETELY different story.  Think about all the
>>interesting 6-man tables:
>>
>>KXPPKX
>>KXKPPP
>>K[BN]PPKR
>>KRBPKQ
>>
>>and the list goes on. I suspect a full 6-man set is worth 100 elo at least.
>
>Nonsense!
>A slight change of Material, a win of a Pawn, and you're right back to
>5 man Tablebases!
>
>
>>This is why I keep pestering Skinner to let me download some of them :)
>>
>>And when the 7-man tables are finished? (2010 or so :))
>
>
>Not in your lifetime!
>
>> Computers will become
>>invincible in the ending, as they win all "simple" endings like KQPPKQP with
>>ease.
>>
>>anthony
>
>   Not until you get the BUGS out of the Programs.
>Humans still Rule; NOT Silicon Chips!

This reminds me of those old "Eliza" programs .. maybe a slightly more
aggressive version.

Vas



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