Author: chandler yergin
Date: 15:32:29 01/13/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 20:52:54, Dann Corbit wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 20:34:47, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 20:13:48, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2005 at 20:06:40, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:57:17, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:49:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:45:00, gerold daniels wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:27:05, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:11:12, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:04:31, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So says Mark Twain.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>You Programmers are spreading lies, misinformation, & disinformation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>However I should not attribute to Malice, what can be explained by Ignorance! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Computers will NEVER SOLVE CHESS! >>>>>>>>>>Stop your Nonsense! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings. >>>>>>>>>Man will never fly faster than sound. >>>>>>>>>Man will never go to the moon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Things that seem impossible quickly become possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In this particular case, it is even obvious mathematically how it will come >>>>>>>>>about. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you understood Mathmatics, you wouldn't say that! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It IS Obvious, that it's an Impossibility! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The Question of "whether or not God exists" is a Philosophical & Meataphysical >>>>>>>>Question. >>>>>>>>Would you agree? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some say.. "It can't be Proven". >>>>>>>>With a Philosophical Question, there are NO 'right or wrong' answers... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>With Mathmatics, there ARE 'right & wrong' answers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your perception is in error! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>THINK! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"In a tree, from the Starting Position, there are 20 possible moves for white. >>>>>>>>There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does. >>>>>>>>Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000 >>>>>>>>for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all >>>>>>>>possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about >>>>>>>>1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, >>>>>>>>000,000,000,000, or 10^120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For >>>>>>>>example, there have only been 10^26 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are >>>>>>>>thought to be only 10^75 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that >>>>>>>>the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of >>>>>>>>galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed >>>>>>>>by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>NOW, Do you want to "Disprove" this... >>>>>>>>OR, >>>>>>>>Re-think your position? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>HMMMMM? >>>>>>>>Stop the Nonsense! >>>>>>>>CY >>>>>>> >>>>>>>good evening chess programs have just begun.in 5 years no man will be able to >>>>>>>beat a good chess program. think of how many men today can beat the top 5 >>>>>>>engines.as far as the perfect chess program that is many years off with the >>>>>>>computers of today it won,t happen. but in 4 or 5 years the computer and the >>>>>>>software that run them will be a lot diff. and so will the language. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>good luck gerold. >>>>>> >>>>>>Computers will play better but the question is if humans cannot also learn to >>>>>>play better thanks to better programs to teach them. >>>>>> >>>>>>There is a lot of progress in playing strength of chess programs but no progress >>>>>>or almost no progress in programs to teach humans to play better. >>>>>> >>>>>>If somebody in the near future is going to develop a good program to teach the >>>>>>GM's to play better you may see better results of GM's against computers in >>>>>>2006-2007. >>>>> >>>>>In order for humans to keep up, they must learn exponentially over time. >>>>>I don't think that they can do this. >>>> >>>>Computer "store & retrieve"... they have NO intelligence! >>>>They are a TOOL! >>>>Get it? >>>>Humans advance Theory... Computers Store & retrieve it! >>>>DUH! >>> >>>computers also advance theory and part of the novelties that GM played are >>>thanks to analysis with computers. >>> >>>Uri >> >>YES! Advanced Chess is where New Theory will come from... >>Humans USING Computers! NOT Computers advancing Theory by themselves... >>The Poor Creatures have NO INTELLIGENCE! They rely on Humans... >>Don't they? > >They rely on humans for now. Eventually, they will program themselves and do it >much better than us. BULLSHIT! Pure Horse Pucky! By the year 2049 a single computer will have the >intelligence of every human on earth put together. An "Asinine statement! We will be pitifully stupid >by comparison. Crap! Again! > >In twenty years, I doubt if humans will have any clue compared to a computer as >far as chess analysis is concerned. It will be like a 5 year old trying to play >Kasparov. What can he tell Kasparov that he does not already know? > >Obviously nothing at all.
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