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Subject: Re: Lies.. Damn Lies & Statistics!

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 15:32:29 01/13/05

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On January 12, 2005 at 20:52:54, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 12, 2005 at 20:34:47, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On January 12, 2005 at 20:13:48, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On January 12, 2005 at 20:06:40, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:57:17, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:49:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:45:00, gerold daniels wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:27:05, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:11:12, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On January 12, 2005 at 19:04:31, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So says Mark Twain....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You Programmers are spreading lies, misinformation, & disinformation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>However I should not attribute to Malice, what can be explained by Ignorance!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Computers will NEVER SOLVE CHESS!
>>>>>>>>>>Stop your Nonsense!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings.
>>>>>>>>>Man will never fly faster than sound.
>>>>>>>>>Man will never go to the moon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Things that seem impossible quickly become possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In this particular case, it is even obvious mathematically how it will come
>>>>>>>>>about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you understood Mathmatics, you wouldn't say that!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It IS Obvious, that it's an Impossibility!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Question of "whether or not God exists" is a Philosophical & Meataphysical
>>>>>>>>Question.
>>>>>>>>Would you agree?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some say.. "It can't be Proven".
>>>>>>>>With a Philosophical Question, there are NO 'right or wrong' answers...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>With Mathmatics, there ARE 'right & wrong' answers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Your perception is in error!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>THINK!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"In a tree,  from the Starting Position, there are 20 possible moves for white.
>>>>>>>>There are 20 * 20 = 400 possible moves for black, depending on what white does.
>>>>>>>>Then there are 400 * 20 = 8,000 for white. Then there are 8,000 * 20 = 160,000
>>>>>>>>for black, and so on. If you were to fully develop the entire tree for all
>>>>>>>>possible chess moves, the total number of board positions is about
>>>>>>>>1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>>>000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
>>>>>>>>000,000,000,000, or 10^120, give or take a few. That's a very big number. For
>>>>>>>>example, there have only been 10^26 nanoseconds since the Big Bang. There are
>>>>>>>>thought to be only 10^75 atoms in the entire universe. When you consider that
>>>>>>>>the Milky Way galaxy contains billions of suns, and there are billions of
>>>>>>>>galaxies, you can see that that's a whole lot of atoms. That number is dwarfed
>>>>>>>>by the number of possible chess moves. Chess is a pretty intricate game!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NOW, Do you want to "Disprove" this...
>>>>>>>>OR,
>>>>>>>>Re-think your position?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HMMMMM?
>>>>>>>>Stop the Nonsense!
>>>>>>>>CY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good evening chess programs have just begun.in 5 years no man will be able to
>>>>>>>beat a good chess program. think of how many men today can beat the top 5
>>>>>>>engines.as far as the perfect chess program that is many years off with the
>>>>>>>computers of today it won,t happen. but in 4 or 5 years the computer and the
>>>>>>>software that run them will be a lot diff. and so will the language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>good luck gerold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Computers will play better but the question is if humans cannot also learn to
>>>>>>play better thanks to better programs to teach them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is a lot of progress in playing strength of chess programs but no progress
>>>>>>or almost no progress in programs to teach humans to play better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If somebody in the near future is going to develop a good program to teach the
>>>>>>GM's to play better you may see better results of GM's against computers in
>>>>>>2006-2007.
>>>>>
>>>>>In order for humans to keep up, they must learn exponentially over time.
>>>>>I don't think that they can do this.
>>>>
>>>>Computer "store & retrieve"... they have NO intelligence!
>>>>They are a TOOL!
>>>>Get it?
>>>>Humans advance Theory... Computers Store & retrieve it!
>>>>DUH!
>>>
>>>computers also advance theory and part of the novelties that GM played are
>>>thanks to analysis with computers.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>YES! Advanced Chess is where New Theory will come from...
>>Humans USING Computers! NOT Computers advancing Theory by themselves...
>>The Poor Creatures have NO INTELLIGENCE! They rely on Humans...
>>Don't they?
>
>They rely on humans for now.  Eventually, they will program themselves and do it
>much better than us.


BULLSHIT!


Pure Horse Pucky!


 By the year 2049 a single computer will have the
>intelligence of every human on earth put together.


An "Asinine statement!

 We will be pitifully stupid
>by comparison.

Crap!  Again!


>
>In twenty years, I doubt if humans will have any clue compared to a computer as
>far as chess analysis is concerned.  It will be like a 5 year old trying to play
>Kasparov.  What can he tell Kasparov that he does not already know?
>
>Obviously nothing at all.



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