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Subject: Re: Lies.. Damn Lies & Statistics!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 16:40:10 01/14/05

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On January 14, 2005 at 18:00:55, Jesper Antonsson wrote:

>On January 13, 2005 at 11:12:09, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>One other number. The mass of the earth is 6*10^24 kg. It is mainly made of iron
>>(the core). But say it was out of oxygen (which is lighter, so we overestimate
>>the number of atoms). The atomic mass of oxygen is 16 g/mol. Avogadro's constant
>>is 6.022e23 mol^-1. The number of atoms in the earth is:
>>
>>  6e24 kg / 0.016 kg/mol * 6e23 mol^-1 = 5.76 * 10^46
>
>The calculation is incorrect. (e24*e23 = e47 > e46). The real answer should be
>Xe50, I guess. No matter. Some estimate that chess is only 1e40 positions, and
>if we are really optimistic about the alpha-beta gain and use some tricks,
>perhaps sqrt(1e40) = 1e20 positions would suffice. 1e20 oxygen atoms weighs:
>
>(1e20 / 6.022e23 mol-1) * 16 g/mol = 0.0027 g
>
>1e20 bits is also "only" 12,500,000 Tbyte (of course, a bit per position won't
>suffice, but anyway...). I would guess that the installed world hard disk base
>is somewhere close to this number, and that these sizes will actually be in
>reach of very-high-end database systems within 20 years. Furthermore, if we
>calculate one billion nodes a second, we may build such a solution hash table in
>1e11 seconds, or 1.7e9 minutes, or 2.7e7 hours, or 1157407 days or 3170 years.
>Too much, but only by a few orders of magnitude. Perhaps we can speed it up by
>parallelism.
>
>Solving chess may very well be forever unfeasible, but I think the jury is still
>out there regarding how much work that has to be done to find a solution, and
>while this is the case, we really don't know much about this.

There is (of course) the possibility that there is a forced outcome nearby to
the origin.  Perhaps there is a forced win after 45 plies that may be
discovered.  You would think that someone would have found it by now, of course,
but you never know.




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