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Subject: Re: 2 points Chandler One Point for you to Ponder

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:24:10 01/17/05

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On January 17, 2005 at 12:06:59, Madhavan wrote:

>On January 17, 2005 at 11:43:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 17, 2005 at 06:06:00, Madhavan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Other Programs had a Big Bug in them.. perhaps it's fixed now,
>>>>>but, a few years ago, it was obvious that to Beat the Top Programs,
>>>>>White gets a Stonewall Position, and demolishes Black on the Kingside!
>>>>
>>>>Feel free to log on to ICC and show me this.  I'll be willing to let Crafty play
>>>>you as many games (Crafty black) as you want, you always playing the Stonewall.
>>>
>>>rather than calling rated players to ICC,and claiming "chess can be solved"
>>>can you post the game that has no errors on both sides?
>>
>>Can you please grab your dictionary first?  "can be" is _not_ the same as "has
>>been".
>
>>Chess is a provably finite game.  It can not go on forever due to the 50-move
>>rule (not to mention 3-fold repetition).  Any finite game can most definitely be
>>solved, given enough time.  Or fast enough hardware.  But not today.  Not yet...
>
>i agree with that,you didnt claim "chess has been solved" but you did claim "
>Any finite game can most definitely be solved"with faster hardware"
>
>i deny that,strongest program running on a faster hardware should not get a draw
>or lose in many games against super grandmasters,if it does then it is
>considered as not solved

Solution of chess only means that the solver will never lose a match.
It does not mean not getting a draw or a loss.

>
>
>>Who can post a perfect game?  Who could evaluate such a game and prove it is
>>perfect, until chess is solved...

I believe that the following game is perfect game

1.Na3 Na6 2.Nb1 Nb8 3.Na3 Na6 4.Nb1 Nb8 with draw by repetition.

I believe that the initial position is a draw and this short game has no moves
that change the result.

Can you prove me wrong?

Uri



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