Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:14:59 01/17/05
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On January 17, 2005 at 12:06:59, Madhavan wrote: >On January 17, 2005 at 11:43:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 17, 2005 at 06:06:00, Madhavan wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >>>>>Other Programs had a Big Bug in them.. perhaps it's fixed now, >>>>>but, a few years ago, it was obvious that to Beat the Top Programs, >>>>>White gets a Stonewall Position, and demolishes Black on the Kingside! >>>> >>>>Feel free to log on to ICC and show me this. I'll be willing to let Crafty play >>>>you as many games (Crafty black) as you want, you always playing the Stonewall. >>> >>>rather than calling rated players to ICC,and claiming "chess can be solved" >>>can you post the game that has no errors on both sides? >> >>Can you please grab your dictionary first? "can be" is _not_ the same as "has >>been". > >>Chess is a provably finite game. It can not go on forever due to the 50-move >>rule (not to mention 3-fold repetition). Any finite game can most definitely be >>solved, given enough time. Or fast enough hardware. But not today. Not yet... > >i agree with that,you didnt claim "chess has been solved" but you did claim " >Any finite game can most definitely be solved"with faster hardware" and given enough time. And it is provably true since any computer can search a finite search space in finite time. How long "finite time" is, could be open for discussion, but not whether or not it exists at all... > >i deny that,strongest program running on a faster hardware should not get a draw >or lose in many games against super grandmasters,if it does then it is >considered as not solved The game has not been solved. It will not be solved for a _long_ time. How long is a long time? I'd take odds on anything less than 100 years, as anything beyond that will have me at over 150 years old, I'll more likely be room temperature by then and a bet would be moot. So it won't be solved in my lifetime, almost certainly. And it _may_ not be solved ever, because who knows how long it will take compared to the expected lifetime of the universe before it contracts and the process is re-started with another big bang? > > >>Who can post a perfect game? Who could evaluate such a game and prove it is >>perfect, until chess is solved... > > >>> >>>>>Put up any complicated Position, and let 5 Programs evaluate it! >>>>> >>>>>Tell me they ALL eval the pV the same? >>>>>NONSENSE! >>>> >>>>So? Neither do humans. You seem to overlook that... >>>>
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