Author: chandler yergin
Date: 14:24:04 01/17/05
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On January 17, 2005 at 15:14:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 17, 2005 at 12:06:59, Madhavan wrote: > >>On January 17, 2005 at 11:43:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On January 17, 2005 at 06:06:00, Madhavan wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Other Programs had a Big Bug in them.. perhaps it's fixed now, >>>>>>but, a few years ago, it was obvious that to Beat the Top Programs, >>>>>>White gets a Stonewall Position, and demolishes Black on the Kingside! >>>>> >>>>>Feel free to log on to ICC and show me this. I'll be willing to let Crafty play >>>>>you as many games (Crafty black) as you want, you always playing the Stonewall. >>>> >>>>rather than calling rated players to ICC,and claiming "chess can be solved" >>>>can you post the game that has no errors on both sides? >>> >>>Can you please grab your dictionary first? "can be" is _not_ the same as "has >>>been". >> >>>Chess is a provably finite game. It can not go on forever due to the 50-move >>>rule (not to mention 3-fold repetition). Any finite game can most definitely be >>>solved, given enough time. Or fast enough hardware. But not today. Not yet... >> >>i agree with that,you didnt claim "chess has been solved" but you did claim " >>Any finite game can most definitely be solved"with faster hardware" > >and given enough time. And it is provably true since any computer can search a >finite search space in finite time. How long "finite time" is, could be open >for discussion, but not whether or not it exists at all... > >> >>i deny that,strongest program running on a faster hardware should not get a draw >>or lose in many games against super grandmasters,if it does then it is >>considered as not solved > >The game has not been solved. It will not be solved for a _long_ time. How >long is a long time? I'd take odds on anything less than 100 years, as anything >beyond that will have me at over 150 years old, I'll more likely be room >temperature by then and a bet would be moot. So it won't be solved in my >lifetime, almost certainly. > And it _may_ not be solved ever, because who knows >how long it will take compared to the expected lifetime of the universe before >it contracts and the process is re-started with another big bang? Replace _may_not be, with _will_not be; or _cannot_ be, and by Jove, you have it! > > > >> >> >>>Who can post a perfect game? Who could evaluate such a game and prove it is >>>perfect, until chess is solved... >> >> >>>> >>>>>>Put up any complicated Position, and let 5 Programs evaluate it! >>>>>> >>>>>>Tell me they ALL eval the pV the same? >>>>>>NONSENSE! >>>>> >>>>>So? Neither do humans. You seem to overlook that... >>>>>
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