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Subject: Re: Test position understand? Guess you don't!

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 07:43:06 01/18/05

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On January 18, 2005 at 10:07:10, chandler yergin wrote:

>Speaking of  "weighted static Positional Values"
>
>Uri writes:
>
>>No the positional values can easily be more than a pawn
>
>Yes.. sometimes they can be!
> NO Games are Won or Lost on "hundreths of a pawn" 0.XX
>That is NOT a Material advantage!
>If the Values exceed that in a Drawn position; then some static values
>have been excessively "tweaked"!
>If the Program caanot see it's a Draw, blame that on the Programmer too!
>Another Programming error.
>Also, the "contempt factor" may have been set too high.
>
>In any case, until the Eval shows a +3.00 or - 3.00
>for either side.. don't get too excited!
>
>
>
>>
>>try the following draw position
>>
>>New game,
>>[D]k1b5/p1p1p1p1/PpPpPpP1/1P1P1P2/8/8/8/K4B2 w - - 0 1
>
>I will, and will Post how Shredder evaluates it.

New game,
k1b5/p1p1p1p1/PpPpPpP1/1P1P1P2/8/8/8/K4B2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 8:

1. +- (1.51): 1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Ka8 3.Bd3 Kb8 4.Kb2 Ka8 5.Kc3 Kb8 6.Kb2 Ka8 7.Kc3
Kb8
2. +- (1.51): 1.Bh3 Kb8 2.Kb2 Ka8 3.Bg2 Kb8 4.Ka1 Ka8 5.Kb1 Kb8 6.Kb2 Ka8 7.Bf1
Kb8 8.Kc3 Ka8 9.Bd3 Kb8 10.Kb2 Ka8 11.Kc3 Kb8 12.Kb2 Ka8 13.Kc3 Kb8
3. +- (1.51): 1.Bc4 Kb8 2.Kb2 Ka8 3.Kc3 Kb8 4.Kb3 Ka8 5.Bf1 Kb8 6.Kb2 Ka8 7.Kc3
Kb8 8.Kb3 Ka8 9.Bd3 Kb8 10.Kb2 Ka8 11.Kc3 Kb8 12.Kb2 Ka8 13.Kc3 Kb8 14.Kb2 Ka8
4. +- (1.51): 1.Kb1 Kb8 2.Kb2 Ka8 3.Kc3 Kb8 4.Kb3 Ka8 5.Bd3 Kb8 6.Kb2 Ka8 7.Kc3
Kb8 8.Kb2 Ka8 9.Kc3 Kb8 10.Kb2 Ka8
5. +- (1.51): 1.Be2 Kb8 2.Kb1 Ka8 3.Kb2 Kb8 4.Ka1 Ka8 5.Kb2 Kb8 6.Ka1 Ka8 7.Kb2
Kb8

(,  18.01.2005)

This is WHY Chess Programs are "Tools"; they have NO intelligence; and anyone
that relies on their evaluations for Analysis is a fool!



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