Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:19:54 01/18/05
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On January 18, 2005 at 09:54:50, chandler yergin wrote: >On January 17, 2005 at 22:05:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 17, 2005 at 21:15:45, chandler yergin wrote: >> >>>New game, >>>[D]8/8/5k1p/2b5/P6p/8/4K3/8 w - - 0 1 >>> >>>Analysis by Fritz 7: >>> >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.Kg3 Bg1 3.Kxh3 Kg7 4.Kg2 Kf8 5.Kh1 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 9/13 00:00:02 122kN >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.Kg3 Bb6 3.Kxh3 Bd8 4.Kg2 Ba5 5.Kh1 h5 6.Kh2 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 10/14 00:00:03 218kN >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 11/16 00:00:06 475kN >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 h3 7.Kh1 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 12/18 00:00:07 794kN, tb=1 >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 h5 7.Kh1 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 13/19 00:00:08 1503kN, tb=2 >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 Kh5 7.Kh1 h3 8.Kh2 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 14/20 00:00:09 2277kN, tb=5 >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 Kh5 7.Kh1 h3 8.Kh2 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 15/22 00:00:10 3495kN, tb=11 >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 Kh5 7.Kh1 Kg6 8.Kh2 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 16/23 00:00:13 5728kN, tb=32 >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.a5 Kd5 3.Kg2 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 17/26 00:00:23 10298kN, tb=147 >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.a5 Kd5 3.Kg2 Kd6 4.Kh1 Bf2 5.Kh2 Be3 6.Kh1 >>> = (-0.22) Depth: 18/28 00:00:31 14771kN, tb=388 >>>1.Kf3-- >>> ³ (-0.50) Depth: 19/28 00:00:40 20374kN, tb=768 >>>1.Kf3 >>> ³ (-0.50) Depth: 19/31 00:00:42 21335kN, tb=877 >>>1.Kf3 Kg5 2.a5 Bf8 3.a6 Bc5 4.Kg2 Kg4 5.Kh1 Kf3 6.Kh2 >>> ³ (-0.28) Depth: 20/32 00:00:54 27474kN, tb=1684 >>>1.Kf3-- >>> ³ (-0.56) Depth: 21/30 00:01:00 31781kN, tb=2186 >>>1.Kf3 Kg5 2.a5 Bd6 3.a6 Bb8 4.Kg2 Kg4 5.Kf2 Kh3 6.Kg1 Kg3 7.Kh1 >>> -+ (-1.87) Depth: 21/38 00:01:34 59556kN, tb=4182 >>>1.Kf3-- >>> -+ (-2.16) Depth: 22/29 00:01:45 67265kN, tb=4852 >>>1.Kf3 Kg5 2.a5 Bd6 3.a6 Bb8 4.Kg2 Kg4 5.Kf2 Kh3 6.Kg1 Kg3 7.Kh1 >>> -+ (-4.37) Depth: 22/42 00:13:33 822286kN, tb=48925 >>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.a5 Kd5 4.Kh3 Bg3 5.Kg2 >>> -+ (-4.37) Depth: 23/41 00:15:59 882429kN, tb=62642 >>>1.Kf3-- >>> -+ (-4.66) Depth: 24/41 00:17:01 904928kN, tb=72531 >>> >>>(, 17.01.2005) >>> >>>The longer it runs.. the deeper the Hole. >>> >>>You don't think this is a Programming problem? >>> >>>It should be acceptable? >> >>Do you think Crafty can beat fritz in a match? I don't. So apparently that >>missing piece of code is not _that_ critical... > > >IT IS CRITICAL! >When I or any other PLAYER spend $$$$$$$$$ for a TOP Program, >we expect a TOP Program, NOT A PATZER, DUMBASS Program! > >What it does against you & Crafty in a Match is irrelevant! >Totally irrelevant! >Get it? I don't believe you "get anything" at all. I'll bet any amount of money that that "patzer" program fritz can run you right off the chessboard. I'll further bet that you won't begin to understand most of its moves when it does this... So maybe it isn't a "patzer". GM players certainly have holes in their skill set for playing chess... Now about my question about that Canadian weather?? > >> >> >>> >>>New game, >>>8/8/5k1p/2b5/P6p/8/4K3/8 w - - 0 1 >>> >>>Analysis by Crafty 19.01: >>> >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 3/3 00:00:00 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 3/3 00:00:00 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 4/4 00:00:00 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kh5 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 5/6 00:00:00 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 6/7 00:00:00 7kN, tb=20 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 4.Ke4 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 7/9 00:00:00 20kN, tb=20 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 4.Kf3 h2 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 8/11 00:00:01 54kN, tb=144 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 4.Kf3 h2 5.Kg2 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 9/12 00:00:01 121kN, tb=148 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 4.Kf3 h2 5.Kg2 Kf5 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 10/14 00:00:03 263kN, tb=1198 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 4.Kf3 h2 5.Kg2 Kf5 6.Kxh2 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 11/15 00:00:03 512kN, tb=1367 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 4.Kf3 h2 5.Kg2 Kf5 6.Kxh2 Be1 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 12/16 00:00:06 994kN, tb=4166 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 4.Kf3 h2 5.Kg2 Kf5 6.Kxh2 Be1 7.Kh3 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 13/18 00:00:07 1807kN, tb=4895 >>>1.Kf3 Bg1 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.Kf4 h3 4.Kf3 h2 5.Kg2 Kf5 6.Kxh2 Be1 7.Kh3 Kf4 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 14/19 00:00:13 3260kN, tb=11625 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 15/21 00:00:19 5951kN, tb=14663 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 16/23 00:00:33 9778kN, tb=26373 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 17/24 00:00:40 14013kN, tb=28902 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 18/26 00:00:59 19469kN, tb=42875 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 19/28 00:01:21 26642kN, tb=48825 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 20/29 00:02:01 35635kN, tb=72860 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 21/31 00:02:38 48310kN, tb=92749 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 22/33 00:04:19 68528kN, tb=157560 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 23/34 00:06:30 103536kN, tb=222182 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 24/36 00:13:16 188493kN, tb=428758 >>>1.Kf3 h3 2.a5 Ke5 3.a6 h2 4.Kg2 Kf4 5.Kxh2 Kf3 6.Kh3 Bg1 7.a7 Bxa7 >>> = (-0.01) Depth: 25/39 00:26:49 550024kN, tb=711610 >>> >>>(, 17.01.2005) >>> >>>Congrats Robert, Crafty doesn't have the BUG! >>> >>> >>>New game, >>>[D]r2qk2r/ppp1b1pp/2n1p3/3pP1n1/3P2b1/2PB1NN1/PP4PP/R1BQK2R w - - 0 1 >>> >>>Analysis by Shredder 8: >>> >>>1. ± (0.79): 1.h3 Bxf3 2.gxf3 Nf7 3.f4 g6 4.Be3 Kd7 5.Kd2 Bh4 6.Ne2 Qe7 7.Qb3 >>>Raf8 8.Raf1 Kc8 >>>2. ² (0.37): 1.h4 Nxf3+ 2.gxf3 Bxh4 3.fxg4 Bxg3+ 4.Kd2 Bh4 5.Kc2 Kd7 6.Qe2 Qe7 >>>7.g5 Bxg5 8.Bxg5 Qxg5 9.Rag1 Qe7 >>>3. ² (0.56): 1.Qe2 Kd7 2.h3 Bxf3 3.gxf3 Nf7 4.Kd1 g6 5.Kc2 Bh4 6.Qg2 Qe7 7.Bf4 >>>Raf8 8.Rag1 Kc8 9.Kb1 >>>4. ² (0.45): 1.Be3 Rf8 2.Be2 Nxf3+ 3.gxf3 Bh3 4.Qd3 g6 5.Kd2 Bg2 6.Rhg1 Bxf3 >>>5. ² (0.39): 1.Rf1 Kd7 2.Be3 Nxf3+ 3.gxf3 Bh3 4.Rf2 Kc8 5.Kd2 Na5 6.Qa4 c5 7.Rd1 >>>Qc7 8.Ne2 cxd4 9.cxd4 Bh4 >>> >>>(, 17.01.2005) >>> >>>In this position, the Program has determined there are 43 Possible moves for >>>White. >>> >>>It is a "Non-Forcing" Position, therefore, the ‘weighted' Static Positional >>>Programmed Values come into play. >>>These are based on Mobility, Space, King Safety, Pawn Position, strong & weak >>>Squares etc.. >>>These ‘weighted' values are shown after the Decimal Point. >>>The Significant Digit is the 1st one! It shows 0.xx telling you it is a Balanced >>>position, with no material advantage for either side. >>> >>>From these 43 possible moves, the Program will search each move in turn, one Ply >>>deeper each iteration. >>>Using Multiple Lines... we get a peek into what the Program is seeing, and how >>>it evaluates what it considers to be the ‘Best" 5 moves, based on the weighted >>>static positional values. >>> >>> >>>It has searched all 43 moves to about 15 Ply almost immediately. >>>As it goes one Ply deeper, in turn for all 43 moves.. the search depth, for the >>>most promising moves.. i.e, the first 5 goes as deep as 40 Ply. >>>With each iteration, searching all 43 moves to 16 ply, 17ply, 18 ply etc.. >>>It searches the most promising moves a bit deeper also. >>> >>>After searching all 43 moves to a depth of 19 Ply, and the most promising moves >>>to 46 ply, it still has not found any Material advantage for either side. >>> >>>Now.. At the beginning, we can set how many plys we want to see, for these 5 or >>>4 or 3 most promising Lines. Eight or Nine moves deep for each Line is >>>reasonable, and that's what we show. Our Choice. >>> >>>Each Engine will evaluate the weighted "Static Positional Values" differently, >>>depending on how they are programmed. >>> >>>Crafty, may put more emphasis on Pawn Structure, while another may consider, >>>King Safety more important. >>>More aggressive programs like Fritz may rate ‘Space" as being more important, >>>and show a 0.85 or higher... >>> >>>What is so hard to understand here?
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