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Subject: Re: Interesting Mate in 10

Author: F. Huber

Date: 09:13:23 01/18/05

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On January 18, 2005 at 11:51:01, F. Huber wrote:

>On January 18, 2005 at 10:55:24, Alessandro Scotti wrote:
>
>>On January 18, 2005 at 08:41:37, F. Huber wrote:
>>
>>>IMO "32000 minus distance" is not a good idea for stating a mate value, since
>>>this is absolutely non-standard, and so every existing GUI would certainly
>>>show a completly nonsense mate value!
>>>I think you should either stay with the distance to 10000 (this is the way that
>>>TheKing does it), or even better switch to the PGN/EPD-standard evaluation
>>>of mates, which counts from 32768 - maybe you should have a look at
>>>http://www.drb.insel.de/~heiner/Chess/PGN_Standard.txt
>>>and go to the section ´16.2.5.6: Opcode "ce": centipawn evaluation´.
>>
>>Hi Franz,
>>I use 32000 in Kiwi and Arena seems to display the score correctly. I don't
>>think 10000 or any other number is better or makes work particularly easier for
>>the GUI. In fact, when I was designing my own GUI, I decided that it was a good
>>idea to run a simple "mate" and "get mated" test on new engines when possible,
>>so that returned scores could be compared with known values.
>
>Hello Alessandro,
>
>I don´t know your engine Kiwi yet (sorry for that ;-)), but now I´ll download
>and try it, because it sounds rather strange to me, that this value 32000
>should work for Arena - Arena doesn´t even recognize the King´s value 10000
>correctly and displays a wrong (by 1) mate number for the King, if installed
>as a Winboard-engine (the value is only ok if installed as UCI engine by the
>Wb2Uci-adapter, because this interface correctly translates these values).
>
>And I can´t agree with you, that _any_ value is suitable for mate scores:
>we do have a standard (PGN/EPD), but what would a standard be worth,
>if nobody would keep to it?
>And furthermore: how should a GUI correctly interpret mate scores, when one
>engine uses 10000, the next 32000 and an other one 32768, and so on ... ?
>
>Regards,
>Franz.

Now after installing and trying Kiwi under Arena I can actually say, that
its mate values are NOT correctly shown - look at the following table, where
I´ve tested a few simple mate positions:

mate: Kiwi-value --> Arena shows
#1  19999  --> +M0
#2  19997  --> +M1
#3  19995  --> +M2
#4  19993  --> +M3
...

BTW you´re using 20000, but not 32000 - again a new (private) ´standard´!? ;-)

Franz.



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