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Subject: Re: Disambiguation

Author: José Carlos

Date: 11:00:59 01/18/05

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On January 18, 2005 at 13:54:57, Louis Fagliano wrote:

>On the web site http://www.drb.insel.de/~heiner/Chess/PGN_Standard.txt under
>section “8.2.3.4: Disambiguation” I quote the following:
>
>“In the case of ambiguities (multiple pieces of the same type moving to the same
>square), the first appropriate disambiguating step of the three following steps
>is taken:
>
>First, if the moving pieces can be distinguished by their originating files, the
>originating file letter of the moving piece is inserted immediately after the
>moving piece letter.
>
>Second (when the first step fails), if the moving pieces can be distinguished by
>their originating ranks, the originating rank digit of the moving piece is
>inserted immediately after the moving piece letter.
>
>Third (when both the first and the second steps fail), the two character square
>coordinate of the originating square of the moving piece is inserted immediately
>after the moving piece letter.”
>
>But it is impossible for both the first and the second steps to fail.  If two
>pieces have the same originating file AND rank, then they are both standing on
>the same square!  The only way that the first and the second steps could fail is
>if chess were three-dimensional.


  Look at the diagram. This position is legal (you promote a knight) and needs
third rule fo a Ne4:
[D]4k3/8/8/2N5/8/2N3N1/8/4K3 w - - 0 1

  José C.



>That last paragraph should be deleted, but I don’t know who the author is.  Does
>anyone know?
>
>Another interesting note on section “8.2.3.4: Disambiguation” is the next
>paragraph:
>
>“Note that the above disambiguation is needed only to distinguish among moves of
>the same piece type to the same square; it is not used to distinguish among
>attacks of the same piece type to the same square.  An example of this would be
>a position with two white knights, one on square c3 and one on square g1 and a
>vacant square e2 with White to move.  Both knights attack square e2, and if both
>could legally move there, then a file disambiguation is needed; the
>(nonchecking) knight moves would be "Nce2" and "Nge2".  However, if the white
>king were at square e1 and a black bishop were at square b4 with a vacant square
>d2 (thus an absolute pin of the white knight at square c3), then only one white
>knight (the one at square g1) could move to square e2: ‘Ne2’.”
>
>I believe in the situation above with the skeleton position White Ke1, Nc3, Ng1
>and Black Bb4 if the knight on g1 goes to e2 then ChessBase and all ChessBase
>programs GUI’s still print out the move as “Nge2” and not “Ne2”.
>
>Not that this is a big deal, but there should be some standard set for all
>GUI’s.



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