Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:55:28 01/18/05
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On January 18, 2005 at 18:12:50, chandler yergin wrote: >On January 18, 2005 at 11:19:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 18, 2005 at 09:54:50, chandler yergin wrote: >> >>>On January 17, 2005 at 22:05:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 17, 2005 at 21:15:45, chandler yergin wrote: >>>> >>>>>New game, >>>>>[D]8/8/5k1p/2b5/P6p/8/4K3/8 w - - 0 1 >>>>> >>>>>Analysis by Fritz 7: >>>>> >>>>>1.Kf3 h3 2.Kg3 Bg1 3.Kxh3 Kg7 4.Kg2 Kf8 5.Kh1 >>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 9/13 00:00:02 122kN >>>>>1.Kf3 h3 2.Kg3 Bb6 3.Kxh3 Bd8 4.Kg2 Ba5 5.Kh1 h5 6.Kh2 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 10/14 00:00:03 218kN >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 11/16 00:00:06 475kN >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 h3 7.Kh1 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 12/18 00:00:07 794kN, tb=1 >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 h5 7.Kh1 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 13/19 00:00:08 1503kN, tb=2 >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 Kh5 7.Kh1 h3 8.Kh2 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 14/20 00:00:09 2277kN, tb=5 >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 Kh5 7.Kh1 h3 8.Kh2 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 15/22 00:00:10 3495kN, tb=11 >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg2 Kf4 3.Kh1 Kg3 4.a5 Ba7 5.a6 Kg4 6.Kh2 Kh5 7.Kh1 Kg6 8.Kh2 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 16/23 00:00:13 5728kN, tb=32 >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.a5 Kd5 3.Kg2 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 17/26 00:00:23 10298kN, tb=147 >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.a5 Kd5 3.Kg2 Kd6 4.Kh1 Bf2 5.Kh2 Be3 6.Kh1 >>>>> = (-0.22) Depth: 18/28 00:00:31 14771kN, tb=388 >>>>>1.Kf3-- >>>>> ³ (-0.50) Depth: 19/28 00:00:40 20374kN, tb=768 >>>>>1.Kf3 >>>>> ³ (-0.50) Depth: 19/31 00:00:42 21335kN, tb=877 >>>>>1.Kf3 Kg5 2.a5 Bf8 3.a6 Bc5 4.Kg2 Kg4 5.Kh1 Kf3 6.Kh2 >>>>> ³ (-0.28) Depth: 20/32 00:00:54 27474kN, tb=1684 >>>>>1.Kf3-- >>>>> ³ (-0.56) Depth: 21/30 00:01:00 31781kN, tb=2186 >>>>>1.Kf3 Kg5 2.a5 Bd6 3.a6 Bb8 4.Kg2 Kg4 5.Kf2 Kh3 6.Kg1 Kg3 7.Kh1 >>>>> -+ (-1.87) Depth: 21/38 00:01:34 59556kN, tb=4182 >>>>>1.Kf3-- >>>>> -+ (-2.16) Depth: 22/29 00:01:45 67265kN, tb=4852 >>>>>1.Kf3 Kg5 2.a5 Bd6 3.a6 Bb8 4.Kg2 Kg4 5.Kf2 Kh3 6.Kg1 Kg3 7.Kh1 >>>>> -+ (-4.37) Depth: 22/42 00:13:33 822286kN, tb=48925 >>>>>1.Kf3 Ke5 2.Kg4 Bf2 3.a5 Kd5 4.Kh3 Bg3 5.Kg2 >>>>> -+ (-4.37) Depth: 23/41 00:15:59 882429kN, tb=62642 >>>>>1.Kf3-- >>>>> -+ (-4.66) Depth: 24/41 00:17:01 904928kN, tb=72531 >>>>> >>>>>(, 17.01.2005) >>>>> >>>>>The longer it runs.. the deeper the Hole. >>>>> >>>>>You don't think this is a Programming problem? >>>>> >>>>>It should be acceptable? >>>> >>>>Do you think Crafty can beat fritz in a match? I don't. So apparently that >>>>missing piece of code is not _that_ critical... >>> >>> >>>IT IS CRITICAL! >>>When I or any other PLAYER spend $$$$$$$$$ for a TOP Program, >>>we expect a TOP Program, NOT A PATZER, DUMBASS Program! >>> >>>What it does against you & Crafty in a Match is irrelevant! >>>Totally irrelevant! >>>Get it? >> >>I don't believe you "get anything" at all. I'll bet any amount of money that >>that "patzer" program fritz can run you right off the chessboard. I'll further >>bet that you won't begin to understand most of its moves when it does this... >> > > >The ONLY reason that COMPUTERS can Beat 99.9 % of Humans, is that 99.9 % of >Humans are NOT 2600 ELO! > >Computers do NOT have A-N-Y Intelligence! The question is how do you define intelligence? Other will say that they have artificial intelligence. > >Get that through your little head! personal attack are not allowed here. Why do you say that Hyatt has a little head? We did not say that computers have intelligence in the part that you reply to. He did not say that Fritz understand the moves that run you right off the chessboard. > >I understand 99 % or more of what your little friggin Engines do than you do! > >Yeah.. Fritz can run me off the Board.... I'm only 2300+ Strength. >Under 2400 ELO I LOSE! > >I have a couple of Draws with Fritz at 3 0 Games! > >What does that tell you? I know that enabling weaker opponents to draw is one of the weaknesses of many programs. I saw even draws out of book in the ssdf games. A human who is lucky to choose the right book line can draw against many chess programs even at bullet. It will be harder to do it against stronger humans because stronger human may even prefer inferior position and is not going to let a repetition in the opening. Another way to draw against many chess programs is to close the position and again it is going to be less simple to do it against stronger humans. Uri
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