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Subject: Re: Can someone explain this data comparing various engines??

Author: Les Fernandez

Date: 22:16:24 01/18/05

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On January 18, 2005 at 21:21:07, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 17, 2005 at 22:10:21, Les Fernandez wrote:
>
>>A few weeks ago I posted these 2 positions and asked if some of you could
>>analyze them and report your findings.  As a follow up Dann decided to run these
>>2 positions using 37 different engines to see if it took longer to solve
>>Position #1 vs Position #2.  Please review the data and let me hear your
>>thoughts as to what could be causing this to happen.  I had to split the charts
>>up since I could not fit them both across the width.  The 2 positions lloked at
>>are: (Dann if you see this correct me if these 2 positions are wrong)
>>
>>#1
>>
>>[D]1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 b - -;
>>
>>#2
>>
>>[D]1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 b - -;
>>
>>
>>Following is the data:
>>
>>
>>POSITION #1
>>                                   Sol’n
>>Analyzing engine  Total nodes     Time(sec)    Mate
>>Amyan		   11.303.686	     36	        +M0
>>Beowulf		   13.439.647	     34	       mate
>>ChestUCI	No solution found
>>Crafty-1917	   16.841.498	     10		-M9
>>DanChess	      966.945	      2	       mate
>>Delfi	            1.914.971	      1	       mate
>>Dragon_46	    7.787.760	     10		+M9
>>Ges				    >60
>>Glaurung			    >60
>>Glc3034		    4.547.343	      2	       mate
>>GnuChess-507-Net  engine trouble
>>GoliathMate	  engine trouble
>>Gothmog		      108.350	      0	        +M29
>>GreKo			            >60
>>Gromit382		   	     28		+M8
>>Gully2				    >60
>>Jonny264			    >60
>>Knightx190	   84.685.201	     49		+M4
>>Leila-053h	    1.859.186	      3		+M8
>>LGNemesis	  engine trouble
>>List512		      863.730	      1		+M500
>>Movei				    >60
>>Muse0899b			    >60
>>Natwarlal	   12.812.697	     32		+M9
>>Nejmet-307	  engine trouble
>>Patriot_0172-Lite engine trouble
>>Patzer_361	      799.022	      2		+M8
>>Pepito-159	    3.708.280	      7		+M10
>>Postmodernist			    >60
>>Quark-232-net	  engine trouble
>>Ruffian_202	  engine trouble
>>SmirfMateBeta9	  engine trouble
>>SOS-4_Arena	  engine trouble
>>Tcb0052				    >60
>>Ufim502		      174.630	      2		+M10
>>WildCat				    >60
>>Yace		  engine trouble
>>
>>
>>POSITION #2
>>                                   Sol’n
>>Analyzing engine  Total nodes     Time(sec)    Mate
>>Amyan		   2.540.663        8	       +M0
>>Beowulf		   6.964.235	   17	       +M9
>>ChestUCI		No solution found
>>Crafty-1917	   9.186.691   	    5	       -M9
>>DanChess	     978.516        2          +M9
>>Delfi              1.104.162        1          -M8
>>Dragon_46	   3.572.856        4          +M9
>>Ges      	   1.655.433        6          +M8
>>Glaurung	 		  >60
>>Glc3034		   2.175.863        1          +M9
>>GnuChess-507-Net		  >60
>>GoliathMate	 engine trouble
>>Gothmog		      31.664        0          +M22
>>GreKo		   6.390.461       11          +M9
>>Gromit382	           0        6          +M8
>>Gully2				  >60
>>Jonny264			  >60
>>Knightx190	  43.799.069       27          +M4
>>Leila-053h	     809.080        1          +M8
>>LGNemesis	 engine trouble
>>List512		     564.059        1          +M500
>>Movei		  20.420.015       27          +M9
>>Muse0899b			  >60
>>Natwarlal	   3.420.414        8          +M9
>>Nejmet-307	engine trouble
>>Patriot_0172-Lite engine trouble
>>Patzer_361	     595.134        2          +M8
>>Pepito-159	     683.162        2          +M9
>>Postmodernist			  >60
>>Quark-232-net	   1.789.509        0          +M9
>>Ruffian_202	engine trouble
>>SmirfMateBeta9	engine trouble
>>SOS-4_Arena	     429.121        2          +M12
>>Tcb0052		  47.768.289       27          +M16
>>Ufim502		      89.973        0          +M10
>>WildCat		     139.334        4          +M9
>>Yace		     706.228        0          +M10
>>
>>
>>I hope splitting the table up dint screw up my data!!
>
>The first thing I looked at was branching factor.  At least from the two root
>positions, it is not very different:
>5rk1/ppb3pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>5rk1/pp4pp/2pb2n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>5rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1pb3/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NP1/3NBK2/3QRb2 w - -
>5rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P1bq1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NP1/3NBKb1/3QR3 w - -
>5rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4Nbb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3r2/pp3kpp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3r1k/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p5/1P1pn3/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp2n1pp/2p5/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p5/1P1p4/P2P1nq1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p5/1P1p4/P2P2qn/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rkn/pp4pp/2p5/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1bq2rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp1q2pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2Pq3/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p1q1n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P1q2/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p1q2/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p2q1/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P3q/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p3q/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2q4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4qPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4Nqb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1br3k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b1r2k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b2r1k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P1rq1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p1r2/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp4pp/2p2rn1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp3rpp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4rPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/1p4pp/2p3n1/pP1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - a6
>1b3rk1/1p4pp/p1p3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/p5pp/1pp3n1/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/6n1/1Ppp4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/6n1/1p1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4p1/2p3n1/1P1p3p/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - h6
>1b3rk1/pp4p1/2p3np/1P1p4/P2P2q1/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>
>verses:
>
>5rk1/ppb3pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1bb2rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NP1/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>5rk1/pp4pp/2pb2n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp1b2pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NP1/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>5rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqpb3/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p1b1n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NP1/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NP1/3NBK2/3QRb2 w - -
>5rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P1b2/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp1b2/P2P4/R4NP1/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NP1/3NBKb1/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P2b1/R4NP1/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>5rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4Nbb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3r2/pp3kpp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3r1k/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p5/1Pqpn3/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp2n1pp/2p5/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p5/1Pqp4/P2P1n2/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p5/1Pqp4/P2P3n/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rkn/pp4pp/2p5/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/Pq1P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/1qp3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/2qQR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/2qNBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R1q2NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P1qP4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2pq2n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp2q1pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2P4/q4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1q1p4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1P1p4/P2q4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1br3k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b1r2k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b2r1k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P1r2/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp1r2/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp4pp/2p2rn1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp3rpp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b4k1/pp4pp/2p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4rPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/1p4pp/2p3n1/pPqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - a6
>1b3rk1/1p4pp/p1p3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/p5pp/1pp3n1/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4pp/6n1/1pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>1b3rk1/pp4p1/2p3n1/1Pqp3p/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - h6
>1b3rk1/pp4p1/2p3np/1Pqp4/P2P4/R4NPb/3NBK2/3QR3 w - -
>
>Are the possible forward positions (about the same).
>It is not at all clear to me why the second position is solved much faster.
>I will examine each of these forward positions and see if that gives any clue.

Hi Dann <s>,

Listen are your above positions intended to be white to move?? The 2 positions I
gave above is black to move.

Thx



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