Author: Ingo Bauer
Date: 03:25:34 01/19/05
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On January 18, 2005 at 22:51:08, enrico carrisco wrote:
>On January 18, 2005 at 19:56:13, Ingo Bauer wrote:
>
>>On January 18, 2005 at 15:31:58, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>
>>>On January 18, 2005 at 05:39:28, Ingo Bauer wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 17, 2005 at 21:51:30, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Is this version currently playing on ICC? how is it doing vs the grandmasters on
>>>>>there?
>>>>
>>>>>I can't remember their names but apparantly some GM's on there can tear a
>>>>>computer apart, wondering how Shredder 9 is handling them.
>>>>
>>>>Shredder 9 has not played a single game at ICC yet.
>>>>
>>>>Ingo Bauer
>>>>
>>>>PS: If you organise a GM I will play at any time with any time control at
>>>>playchess. (The only reason why playchess is the opening book!)
>>>
>>>
>>>Any idea what causes these huge losses to certain GM's?
>>
>>All I know is that the conditions how the computer where "configured" are
>>completly unknow. But it is interesting that if Comps, and Shredder of course
>>too, do play vs GM in official events where the conditions are known the GMs
>>seems to have some problems with them (e.g Argentina or the recent games in
>>Malaya)
>>
>>Nevertheless I would be interested in some games where a GM teared apart a
>>Shredder version? Do you have any?
>>
>>Bye
>>Ingo
>
>Here you go.
>I believe Shredder was running on a Dual 2.4 or 2.2GHz Opteron)
>Goldmund is Alexander Rustemov with a FIDE rating of 2598.
>
>[Event "ICC 5 5"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2004.12.07"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Goldmund"]
>[Black "Over-Rated"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ICCResult "Black checkmated"]
>[WhiteElo "3186"]
>[BlackElo "3274"]
>[Opening "Bogo-Indian defense, Nimzovich variation"]
>[ECO "E11"]
>[NIC "QI.01"]
>[Time "18:48:40"]
>[TimeControl "300+5"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 Qe7 5. g3 Nc6 6. Nc3 O-O 7. Bg2 Bxc3
>8. Bxc3 Ne4 9. Qc2 Nxc3 10. Qxc3 d6 11. d5 Nb8 12. O-O Nd7 13. e4 e5 14. Nd2
>c5 15. f4 Re8 16. f5 b6 17. g4 Qg5 18. h3 Ba6 19. Nf3 Qf4 20. Nd2 Qh6 21. a4
>Qg5 22. Nf3 Qf4 23. Nd2 Qh6 24. b3 f6 25. Rf3 Qh4 26. Kh2 Rf8 27. Rg3 Qg5
>28. Nf3 Qf4 29. Nd2 Rab8 30. Rf1 Qh6 31. Nf3 Kh8 32. h4 Rbe8 33. Bh3 Re7 34.
>g5 Qh5 35. Bg4 Qe8 36. Rfg1 Rg8 37. Nd2 Qf8 38. Qf3 Qd8 39. Qg2 Ree8 40. Be2
>Bb7 41. Nf1 Re7 42. Ne3 Bc8 43. Bh5 Qf8 44. Bg6 fxg5 45. hxg5 Nf6 46. Bxh7
>g6 47. Bxg6 Rxg6 48. fxg6 Nh5 49. Qf3 Nf4 50. Rh1 Rg7 51. Kg1+ Kg8 52. Rh6
>Rxg6 53. Rxg6+ Nxg6 54. Qxf8+ Kxf8 55. Nf5 Bxf5 56. exf5 Nf4 57. Kf2 Kg7 58.
>Kf3 Kg8 59. Rg1 Nd3 60. Rh1 e4+ 61. Ke3 Ne5 62. Kxe4 Ng4 63. Kf4 Nf2 64. Rh6
>Nd3+ 65. Ke4 Nf2+ 66. Kf3 Nd3 67. Rxd6 Ne5+ 68. Ke4 Nf7 69. Rg6+ Kh7 70. d6
>b5 71. axb5 Kh8 72. d7 Nd8 73. Kd5 Nf7 74. Ke6 Nxg5+ 75. Rxg5 Kh7 76. d8=Q
>Kh6 77. Rg6+ Kh5 78. Qg5# {Black checkmated} 1-0
Hi
I had a short look at this and three reasons came to my mind.
1. I could not reproduce several moves with S8 on my computer. Because I know
that, especialy on paralell computers, chess is non deterministic ...
2. the moves 3,4,6,7 and 8 would never be played out of the book of S8 if set
correctly.
3. Of course if someone invest enough effort and tries it is possible to find
out some lines where an engine is behaving bad, especially at short time
controls.
Btw: If S9 is out I bet that it will need some time till you see such wins
again. If someone know goldmund I would like to play him on playchess where I
could use Shredders book with correct setting. Any time control at any time! (If
Goldmund wants that I will use S8 as well!)
I will not do the second game, because I believe it will have similar resons.
I just want to bring back into mind, that under "controled" conditions the top
GMs have a hard time to show succeses like this. In one game. Make it 10 and one
might game might be like this. It is online play, you never know...
Nevertheless nice "anti-computer" play by Goldmund!
Bye
Ingo
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