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Subject: Re: I discussed the Question about Chess being solved

Author: José Carlos

Date: 03:56:23 01/19/05

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On January 18, 2005 at 18:29:46, chandler yergin wrote:

>with this guy in 1998...
>
>
>I'll take his answer over yours any day!


  As has been pointed out, there's a big difference between opinions and proofs.
My opinion is also that chess can't be solved, but I have no proof. Nobody has.


>"CHESS CANNOT BE SOLVED BY COMPUTERS!"


  Chess is well defined, but define "computer". If computer means today's
computers, it can be proven that, for a search time t, chess can't be solved by
today's computers in that time.


>He's a Chess Player too..
>
>Wanna Disagree?


  Sure, I love disagreeng. To prove chess can't be solved you either need:

  a. to provide a mathematical demonstration.
  b. to refute every attemp.

  Since "b" is not possible because tomorrow someone could come up with a new
attemp, only "a" can prove it, and your friend doesn't provide a mathematical
proof, but an opinion. Here are other opinions that can't be refuted: "God
doesn't exist", "Cats can't do abstract reasoning", "Dolphins would play chess
if only they had hands".
  Now, to the topic: the search graph for chess is inmense. I can't think of a
way to fully explore it. But in mathematics and other formal sciences, complex
demonstrations use simple theorems. Suppose the next theorems could be proven
for chess:
  1. for every position with a material advantage bigger than a queen, if I can
give a check, I can't be mated.
  2. for every position without queens and pawns, equal material is always a
draw.

  These are of course stupid theorems which are clearly false, but they
illustrate the idea. Every simple theorem we could demonstrate, would mean a
drastric reduction in the search graph, and would also allow to create new and
more complex theorems.
  Today, we don't know such theorems, but who can say with 100% certainity that
they won't be discovered in the future?

  José C.



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