Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 17:55:59 01/20/05
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On January 20, 2005 at 20:38:30, Steve B wrote: >> >>Your point is that computers will play beautiful chess when they play the way >>that you think they should. > >no >my point is what was interesting to the early pioneers in AI programming and the >reason chess was chosen as a meaningful game to try to get a computer to play >was to learn more about how humans think I do not think that there is any connection between making a computer play like a human and learning how humans think. Suppose that we made a program play exactly like Garry Kasparov. Each and every time the compter moved Garry would exclaim, "That's what *I* was thinking!" -- Would you imagine that somehow we have learned how humans think from that? I am very sure that we would not learn how humans think by that method because the model of a CPU with a large single memory store and a stored program is not at all the model of a human brain. If we want to learn how humans think, first we must understand how the brain works. >current day programs do not do consider the same sorts of things that humans do >when making a move, That is not true. They consider space on the board. They consider development of pieces. They hunt for forks and pins. They know all about the things we like. >therfore they tell us nothing about how we think I do not think it follows. > I know it is a fact, >>because it is beautiful to me. And if it is beautiful to me it does not have to >>be beautiful to you in order to be beautiful. > >well i can agree that something need not be beautiful to me to be beautiful to >you. >> >>If you want to say that computers do not play chess that is beautiful to you >>then I cannot possibly disagree, because beauty is totally subjective. > >i would say again that computers do not play as humans do >which for me renders the current day status of chess programming as >uninteresting >for me,if i had a program that played 1000 points lower then the current elo >leaders ,but emulated more closely how a human conjurs up a move..now THAT would >be interesting! >Steve Have you ever played Golem under Winboard or Arena? It plays like my little sister did when she was 10 years old. Complete with mistakes and an occasional very good move. I call that very much like a human. I recommend Arena for new users, because it is trivial to set it up: http://www.playwitharena.com/download/arena_11_setup2.exe To install Golem, you may need some help. I will be happy to assist you if you would like. This is where to find Golem: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chaos/9481/ Here is the actual download link for the program: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Chaos/9481/golem01.zip
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