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Subject: Re: El Chinito, lol !

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 21:43:51 01/20/05

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On January 20, 2005 at 10:42:40, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On January 20, 2005 at 10:28:05, Matthias Gemuh wrote:
>
>>On January 20, 2005 at 08:30:44, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>
>>>is this an insider joke ?
>>
>>
>>
>>The Crafty clone is no more an issue in the scene.
>>Why should someone want to beta test it ? ;)
>>
>>/Matthias.
>
>chinito is no crafty clone.
>he used parts of crafty. this is what many (amateur-)programmers do
>from time to time to TRY OUT things, or to be lazy concerning certain
>areas ... but after a time of experience those programmers mostly throw the
>parts from crafty overboard because they found them inefficient.

I think that he started by changing Crafty and it is different than only using
parts of Crafty.
I think that it will not be easy for him to throw parts of crafty because he
does not understand a lot of parts.

>
>IMO a crafty clone is something different. when somebody takes the whole
>program, changes a few things and comes with HIS name instead of crafty.

I got the impression that it is the case with Elchinito.
Of course it is not identical to Crafty because he changed things
but changing small part of a program is enough to make it play in a
significantly different way.

For example if you only change the evaluation of Crafty and do not change other
parts then you have a crafty clone and the evaluation is only a minority of
Crafty's code.


>
>with chinito or Eugen it is different.
>eugen was a strong program long before crafty code was implemented.

I read claims that eugen was a clone of gnuchess.

>
>As long as chinito plays different then crafty of course people would like to
>betatest it.

I agree with it and I do not claim that Elchinito plays the same as Crafty.

>
>IMO you are shallow when you make your jokes.
>but you can continue like this, of course.
>
>for me chinito (or eugen) are interesting programs and of course i do like to
>test them and this because the programmer, eugenio castillo gives the programs
>something unique that has nothing to do with crafty source code. if crafty would
>have "this", i would test crafty too. but this is not the case.

I understand it but the fact that a program has something new that you like does
not contradict the fact that it is a clone.

Uri



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