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Subject: Re: Bionic Vs Crafty Debate: some data required

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 09:19:09 01/25/99

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On January 25, 1999 at 10:54:04, Albrecht Heeffer wrote:

>
>2) All this was available before the start of the Open Dutch championship.
>We did not hide anything. Bionic Impakt is for a large part based on
>Crafty code, originally 9.26 and later based on 15.20. We never looked at
>Crafty 16.x as some people suggested. If you want to compare, you'd
>better use version 15.20
>

Hello.  Nice to have you on the group.  As an amateur programmer, I find it
extremely, extremely presumptuous of you to copy the crafty code, and then pass
this program off as something new.  My current program is a development of a
program I wrote in 1977 in 6502 assembly, and then expanded in 1986 on the
68000.  I converted it to C last year, and then over time put in all I learned
from this newsgroup and a full set of ICCC journals.  It's been a slow,
incremental process, but at this point, right now, I can say that it's an honest
program, and I know what's in it and how it works.  You and your team cannot, I
suspect.

I can imagine that most amateur programmers like myself are similarly interested
in their own knowledge and work, and don't take kindly to this sort of thing.


>
>Several people tried this also, including Marcel Van Kervinck and
>Johan Havegheer. Marcel played through 513 moves and found that only
>406 matched with Crafty 16.1. This test can be verified by anyone who feels
>like doing so. We decided to post the complete loggings of the Open Dutch.
>You can download them from: http://www.impakt.be/bionic/odc98.htm
>You can inspect all setting, timings, moves, evaluations and so on.
>If you really want to do this in a scientific way:
>- do not use book moves
>- categorise chess-evading moves, 'obvious' moves, 'only' moves
>- do the same test also with some other program
>

I think Bruce has posted the games, and I am sure we'll get some interesting
data.  I'll even run it through my program, just for fun.  But you could stop
all this immediately if you wanted to.  Just make arrangements to have someone
look at the source, then compile and run it, comparing it to the Dutch
performance.  That's all.

Will



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