Author: Uri Blass
Date: 03:49:16 01/29/05
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On January 29, 2005 at 05:53:17, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >On January 28, 2005 at 20:05:52, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 28, 2005 at 11:52:25, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >> >>>On January 28, 2005 at 06:17:49, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 28, 2005 at 04:37:59, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 27, 2005 at 16:37:11, Richard Harrison wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In the following position, Shredder 8 plays the blunder move 66. Qxf4?? This >>>>>>move loses quickly. [After 15 minutes of thinking, still likes Qxf4] >>>>>> >>>>>>S7.04 does not deviate from 66. Qb2 and recognizes the draw instantly. Ruffian >>>>>>1.05 also plays Qb2 (0.00) >>>>>> >>>>>>What does your Shredder 8 play? >>>>>> >>>>>>[D]8/8/8/2K5/1Q3pP1/4nP2/3pk3/8 w - - 0 66 >>>>> >>>>>White is clearly better after Qxf4. >>>>> >>>>>In the endgame just counting the material isn't so reliable any more. >>>>> >>>>>Vas >>>> >>>>I disagree. >>>>I think that black has better winning chances. >>>> >>>>winning a pawn and getting drawn KN vs KP is no problem for black after Qxf4 >>>>and black can also try other ideas. >>>> >>>>in human game I will try to win with black. >>>> >>>>The white pawns are not advanced enough to make me afraid of promotion in the >>>>near future and I feel sure that in the worst case I can draw by perpetual check >>>>and maybe I can win the queen of the opponent after a mistake preventing the >>>>opponent to force trading queens is easy. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>Uri, >>> >>>let me tell you a little chess story. I play in the German league for >>>Hungen-Lich, a very small city. We have quite a few teams actually - some a bit >>>more discinplined than other - and one of them is called the "pub" team. Every >>>year, from each league, a few teams get moved up, and a few teams get kicked >>>down - and as you might guess in the last match last year our pub team was >>>fighting for their life to stay in the league. To stay, they had to draw their >>>last match. >>> >>>Now, you might think that anybody who calls themselves the pub team wouldn't >>>give a rat's ass about getting kicked - but in this case you would think wrong. >>>Let's face it - it might be fun to drink a little bit, but if you get kicked by >>>some chumps it's just not so funny anymore. So, the big match is underway - and >>>the pub team is behind, 4-3. It's down to the last game, they need a win to stay >>>in the league, and their guy has bishop and wrong-colored rook pawn, nothing >>>else. >>> >>>Can he pull it off? >>> >>>After a few swigs, the pub team guy moves up his pawn, and then brings the king >>>in for the final assault. The defending king is in the corner, with fewer and >>>fewer escape squares. The defender - sober, but under great pressure all game - >>>the tension and the danger of great humiliation working on his mind - the empty >>>bottles on the table clouding his vision - starts to panic - worries about >>>getting mated, and flees into the open space. The pawn promotes, the new queen >>>closes in, and the pub team keeps their spot. The guy who lost was ready to cry. >>> >>>SO what's the point here? >>> >>>If you join our pub team - and it's not clear that you have the credentials - >>>and if you have the balls to get drunk for the match that might kick you from >>>the league - then we can talk about how you'll win this with black. >>> >>>But wait - that's not the end. After the victorious match, the loser of this >>>game was furious. After mulling over his humiliation, he gathered himself up and >>>wrote a big letter to the German federation, and as it turns out it's illegal to >>>have alcohol at the match - although it had been going on all year and nobody >>>else was crying about it. So, the match was forfeited, and the pub team got >>>kicked after all and even had to pay a fine. >>> >>>So let me know if you want to file a pub team application ... >>> >>>Vas >> >>I do not see the connection. >> >>KBP vs K is an easy draw when the bishop is blind and it is eady to prove it >>mathematically. >> >>Here I am not sure that it is an easy draw and I suspect that there may happen a >>position when the side with the knight may give some checks and force mate or >>win the queen. >> >>Uri > >It was just a cool story :) totally true BTW. > >In this position here it's a question of what white can do. Maybe it's just >drawn. For example 1. Qxf4 d1/Q 2. g5 already draws to 2. .. Qd5+ & Qxf3, and if >2. Qe4 then black plays 2. .. Qd8 and starts passing with his king. > >As for white blundering his queen - if he's worried about this, he can just keep >it where the knight can't attack it with one move ;) This is a good idea if >you're playing against the pub team ... > >Vas It is not enough to protect the queen from the knight. 1)You may save the queen but lose the king. queen and knight maybe can force checkmate. 2)The fact that the knight cannot attack the queen does not mean that the friendly queen of the knight cannot capture it after some checks. Uri
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