Author: Vasik Rajlich
Date: 06:45:23 01/29/05
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On January 29, 2005 at 06:49:16, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 29, 2005 at 05:53:17, Vasik Rajlich wrote: > >>On January 28, 2005 at 20:05:52, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On January 28, 2005 at 11:52:25, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >>> >>>>On January 28, 2005 at 06:17:49, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 28, 2005 at 04:37:59, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 27, 2005 at 16:37:11, Richard Harrison wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In the following position, Shredder 8 plays the blunder move 66. Qxf4?? This >>>>>>>move loses quickly. [After 15 minutes of thinking, still likes Qxf4] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>S7.04 does not deviate from 66. Qb2 and recognizes the draw instantly. Ruffian >>>>>>>1.05 also plays Qb2 (0.00) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What does your Shredder 8 play? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[D]8/8/8/2K5/1Q3pP1/4nP2/3pk3/8 w - - 0 66 >>>>>> >>>>>>White is clearly better after Qxf4. >>>>>> >>>>>>In the endgame just counting the material isn't so reliable any more. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vas >>>>> >>>>>I disagree. >>>>>I think that black has better winning chances. >>>>> >>>>>winning a pawn and getting drawn KN vs KP is no problem for black after Qxf4 >>>>>and black can also try other ideas. >>>>> >>>>>in human game I will try to win with black. >>>>> >>>>>The white pawns are not advanced enough to make me afraid of promotion in the >>>>>near future and I feel sure that in the worst case I can draw by perpetual check >>>>>and maybe I can win the queen of the opponent after a mistake preventing the >>>>>opponent to force trading queens is easy. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>Uri, >>>> >>>>let me tell you a little chess story. I play in the German league for >>>>Hungen-Lich, a very small city. We have quite a few teams actually - some a bit >>>>more discinplined than other - and one of them is called the "pub" team. Every >>>>year, from each league, a few teams get moved up, and a few teams get kicked >>>>down - and as you might guess in the last match last year our pub team was >>>>fighting for their life to stay in the league. To stay, they had to draw their >>>>last match. >>>> >>>>Now, you might think that anybody who calls themselves the pub team wouldn't >>>>give a rat's ass about getting kicked - but in this case you would think wrong. >>>>Let's face it - it might be fun to drink a little bit, but if you get kicked by >>>>some chumps it's just not so funny anymore. So, the big match is underway - and >>>>the pub team is behind, 4-3. It's down to the last game, they need a win to stay >>>>in the league, and their guy has bishop and wrong-colored rook pawn, nothing >>>>else. >>>> >>>>Can he pull it off? >>>> >>>>After a few swigs, the pub team guy moves up his pawn, and then brings the king >>>>in for the final assault. The defending king is in the corner, with fewer and >>>>fewer escape squares. The defender - sober, but under great pressure all game - >>>>the tension and the danger of great humiliation working on his mind - the empty >>>>bottles on the table clouding his vision - starts to panic - worries about >>>>getting mated, and flees into the open space. The pawn promotes, the new queen >>>>closes in, and the pub team keeps their spot. The guy who lost was ready to cry. >>>> >>>>SO what's the point here? >>>> >>>>If you join our pub team - and it's not clear that you have the credentials - >>>>and if you have the balls to get drunk for the match that might kick you from >>>>the league - then we can talk about how you'll win this with black. >>>> >>>>But wait - that's not the end. After the victorious match, the loser of this >>>>game was furious. After mulling over his humiliation, he gathered himself up and >>>>wrote a big letter to the German federation, and as it turns out it's illegal to >>>>have alcohol at the match - although it had been going on all year and nobody >>>>else was crying about it. So, the match was forfeited, and the pub team got >>>>kicked after all and even had to pay a fine. >>>> >>>>So let me know if you want to file a pub team application ... >>>> >>>>Vas >>> >>>I do not see the connection. >>> >>>KBP vs K is an easy draw when the bishop is blind and it is eady to prove it >>>mathematically. >>> >>>Here I am not sure that it is an easy draw and I suspect that there may happen a >>>position when the side with the knight may give some checks and force mate or >>>win the queen. >>> >>>Uri >> >>It was just a cool story :) totally true BTW. >> >>In this position here it's a question of what white can do. Maybe it's just >>drawn. For example 1. Qxf4 d1/Q 2. g5 already draws to 2. .. Qd5+ & Qxf3, and if >>2. Qe4 then black plays 2. .. Qd8 and starts passing with his king. >> >>As for white blundering his queen - if he's worried about this, he can just keep >>it where the knight can't attack it with one move ;) This is a good idea if >>you're playing against the pub team ... >> >>Vas > >It is not enough to protect the queen from the knight. >1)You may save the queen but lose the king. >queen and knight maybe can force checkmate. > >2)The fact that the knight cannot attack the queen does not mean that the >friendly queen of the knight cannot capture it after some checks. > >Uri Ok, in a human game anything can happen. In comp-comp this should certainly get +/=. Actually I guess just 0.00 would be the most precise, but no eval can be that good. Vas
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