Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:50:43 01/29/05
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On January 29, 2005 at 09:45:23, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >On January 29, 2005 at 06:49:16, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 29, 2005 at 05:53:17, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >> >>>On January 28, 2005 at 20:05:52, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 28, 2005 at 11:52:25, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 28, 2005 at 06:17:49, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 28, 2005 at 04:37:59, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 27, 2005 at 16:37:11, Richard Harrison wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In the following position, Shredder 8 plays the blunder move 66. Qxf4?? This >>>>>>>>move loses quickly. [After 15 minutes of thinking, still likes Qxf4] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>S7.04 does not deviate from 66. Qb2 and recognizes the draw instantly. Ruffian >>>>>>>>1.05 also plays Qb2 (0.00) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What does your Shredder 8 play? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>[D]8/8/8/2K5/1Q3pP1/4nP2/3pk3/8 w - - 0 66 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>White is clearly better after Qxf4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In the endgame just counting the material isn't so reliable any more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Vas >>>>>> >>>>>>I disagree. >>>>>>I think that black has better winning chances. >>>>>> >>>>>>winning a pawn and getting drawn KN vs KP is no problem for black after Qxf4 >>>>>>and black can also try other ideas. >>>>>> >>>>>>in human game I will try to win with black. >>>>>> >>>>>>The white pawns are not advanced enough to make me afraid of promotion in the >>>>>>near future and I feel sure that in the worst case I can draw by perpetual check >>>>>>and maybe I can win the queen of the opponent after a mistake preventing the >>>>>>opponent to force trading queens is easy. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>Uri, >>>>> >>>>>let me tell you a little chess story. I play in the German league for >>>>>Hungen-Lich, a very small city. We have quite a few teams actually - some a bit >>>>>more discinplined than other - and one of them is called the "pub" team. Every >>>>>year, from each league, a few teams get moved up, and a few teams get kicked >>>>>down - and as you might guess in the last match last year our pub team was >>>>>fighting for their life to stay in the league. To stay, they had to draw their >>>>>last match. >>>>> >>>>>Now, you might think that anybody who calls themselves the pub team wouldn't >>>>>give a rat's ass about getting kicked - but in this case you would think wrong. >>>>>Let's face it - it might be fun to drink a little bit, but if you get kicked by >>>>>some chumps it's just not so funny anymore. So, the big match is underway - and >>>>>the pub team is behind, 4-3. It's down to the last game, they need a win to stay >>>>>in the league, and their guy has bishop and wrong-colored rook pawn, nothing >>>>>else. >>>>> >>>>>Can he pull it off? >>>>> >>>>>After a few swigs, the pub team guy moves up his pawn, and then brings the king >>>>>in for the final assault. The defending king is in the corner, with fewer and >>>>>fewer escape squares. The defender - sober, but under great pressure all game - >>>>>the tension and the danger of great humiliation working on his mind - the empty >>>>>bottles on the table clouding his vision - starts to panic - worries about >>>>>getting mated, and flees into the open space. The pawn promotes, the new queen >>>>>closes in, and the pub team keeps their spot. The guy who lost was ready to cry. >>>>> >>>>>SO what's the point here? >>>>> >>>>>If you join our pub team - and it's not clear that you have the credentials - >>>>>and if you have the balls to get drunk for the match that might kick you from >>>>>the league - then we can talk about how you'll win this with black. >>>>> >>>>>But wait - that's not the end. After the victorious match, the loser of this >>>>>game was furious. After mulling over his humiliation, he gathered himself up and >>>>>wrote a big letter to the German federation, and as it turns out it's illegal to >>>>>have alcohol at the match - although it had been going on all year and nobody >>>>>else was crying about it. So, the match was forfeited, and the pub team got >>>>>kicked after all and even had to pay a fine. >>>>> >>>>>So let me know if you want to file a pub team application ... >>>>> >>>>>Vas >>>> >>>>I do not see the connection. >>>> >>>>KBP vs K is an easy draw when the bishop is blind and it is eady to prove it >>>>mathematically. >>>> >>>>Here I am not sure that it is an easy draw and I suspect that there may happen a >>>>position when the side with the knight may give some checks and force mate or >>>>win the queen. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>It was just a cool story :) totally true BTW. >>> >>>In this position here it's a question of what white can do. Maybe it's just >>>drawn. For example 1. Qxf4 d1/Q 2. g5 already draws to 2. .. Qd5+ & Qxf3, and if >>>2. Qe4 then black plays 2. .. Qd8 and starts passing with his king. >>> >>>As for white blundering his queen - if he's worried about this, he can just keep >>>it where the knight can't attack it with one move ;) This is a good idea if >>>you're playing against the pub team ... >>> >>>Vas >> >>It is not enough to protect the queen from the knight. >>1)You may save the queen but lose the king. >>queen and knight maybe can force checkmate. >> >>2)The fact that the knight cannot attack the queen does not mean that the >>friendly queen of the knight cannot capture it after some checks. >> >>Uri > >Ok, in a human game anything can happen. In comp-comp this should certainly get >+/=. Actually I guess just 0.00 would be the most precise, but no eval can be >that good. > >Vas I disagree and I think that also computers should give a small advantage for black. Uri
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