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Subject: Engine ELO

Author: Joshua Haglund

Date: 22:32:56 01/29/05


I think chess engines should not be given an approximate rating. I think they
should be given an ELO RANGE, and be ranked by the average of the ELO RANGE.
There shouldn't be an engine on the list unless it has played more then 5000
games. These games are consisting of different books, hardware, settings, etc.,
hence, giving the engine an ELO RANGE.

30.01.2005
2937569 games

Engine Popularity

#	Engine	        N Games	Elo Avg.
1.	shredder 8	1527113	2608	±21
2.	fritz 8	        1061589	2543	±28
3.	deep fritz 8	1032565	2612	±38
4.	deep fritz 7	439209	2633	±52
5.	hiarcs 9	317815	2549	±30
6.	shredder 7.04	258551	2551	±29
7.	fritz 7	        228719	2578	±37
8.	junior 8	103815	2508	±22
9.	x3d fritz	76805	2560	±28
10.	deep junior 9	56381	2596	±26
11.	deep junior 8	51025	2540	±25
12.	junior 9	45999	2553	±26
13.	chess tiger 15	45253	2514	±25
14.	fritzinbahrain	37793	2501	±16
15.	deep juniorem	28771	2642	±31
16.	deep junior8.zx	22453	2535	±24
17.	gambit tiger2.0	21613	2503	±23
18.	ruffian 2.1.0	19755	2510	±8
19.	the king 3.33	18969	2528	±15
20.	shredder 7	18733	2510	±34
21.	pro deo 1.0	17649	2468	±11
22.	3d schach 4.0	16811	2519	±9
23.	fritz 5.32	14259	2400	±7
24.	fruit 2.0	13425	2537	±21
25.	aristarch 4.50	12305	2472	±7
26.	gandalf 6.0	11787	2508	±16
27.	shredder 7.se	11099	2510	±18
28.	junior 7	11037	2474	±13
29.	ruffian 1.0.5	10861	2485	±21
30.	chess tiger 14	10281	2514	±18
31.	hiarcs8 bareev	9267	2483	±20
32.	schachgenie 1.0	8763	2548	±9
33.	list 512	8693	2448	±4
34.	the king 3.23	8179	2469	±9
35.	crafty 19.01	6803	2356	±6
36.	fritz for fun 3	6751	2470	±5
37.	deep sjeng 1.6	6265	2449	±2
38.	the king 3.23r1	6047	2547	±3
39.	hiarcs 8	5739	2460	±3

Engine ELO Range

Shredder 8     ELO 2587-2629
Fritz 8        ELO 2515-2571
Deep Fritz 8   ELO 2574-2650
Deep Fritz 7   ELO 2581-2685
Hiarcs 9       ELO 2519-2579
Shredder 7.04  ELO 2522-2580
Fritz 7        ELO 2541-2615
Junior 8       ELO 2482-2530
X3d Fritz      ELO 2532-2588
Deep Junior 9  ELO 2573-2624
Deep Junior 8  ELO 2515-2565
Junior 9       ELO 2527-2579
Chess Tiger 15 ELO 2489-2539
FritzInBahrain ELO 2485-2517
Deep Junior8EM ELO 2611-2673
Deep Junior8ZX ELO 2514-2559
Gambit Tiger 2 ELO 2480-2526
Ruffian 2.1.0  ELO 2502-2518
The King 3.33  ELO 2513-2543
Shredder 7     ELO 2476-2544
Pro Deo 1.0    ELO 2457-2479
3d Schach 4.0  ELO 2510-2528
Fritz 5.32     ELO 2393-2407
Fruit 2.0      ELO 2515-2558
Aristarch 4.5  ELO 2465-2479
Gandolf 6.0    ELO 2492-2524
Shredder 7SE   ELO 2492-2528
Junior 7       ELO 2461-2487
Ruffian 1.0.5  ELO 2464-2506
Chess Tiger 14 ELO 2496-2532
Hiarcs 8Bareev ELO 2463-2503
Schachgenie1.0 ELO 2539-2557
List 5.12      ELO 2444-2452
The King 3.23  ELO 2460-2478
Crafty 19.01   ELO 2350-2362
Fritz for Fun3 ELO 2465-2475
Deep Sjeng 1.6 ELO 2447-2451
The King3.23r1 ELO 2544-2550
Hiarcs 8       ELO 2457-2463

Engine Rankings
#	Engine	    Elo Range Avg.

1.	deep juniorem	2642
2.	deep fritz 7	2633
3.	deep fritz 8	2612
4.	shredder 8	2608
5.	deep junior 9	2596
6.	fritz 7	        2578
7.	x3d fritz	2560
8.	junior 9	2553
9.	hiarcs 9	2549
10.	schachgenie 1.0	2548
11.	the king 3.23r1	2547
12.	fritz 8	       	2543
13.	shredder 7.04	2551
14.	deep junior 8	2540
15.	fruit 2.0	2537
16.	deep junior8.zx	2535
17.	the king 3.33	2528
18.	3d schach 4.0	2519
19.	chess tiger 15	2514
20.	chess tiger 14	2514
21.	shredder 7.se   2510
22.	shredder 7	2510
23.	ruffian 2.1.0	2510
24.	gandalf 6.0	2508
25.	junior 8	2508
26.	gambit tiger2.0	2503
27.	fritzinbahrain	2501
28.	ruffian 1.0.5	2485
29.	hiarcs8 bareev	2483
30.	junior 7	2474
31.	aristarch 4.50	2472
32.	fritz for fun 3	2470
33.	the king 3.23	2469
34.	pro deo 1.0	2468
35.	hiarcs 8	2460
36.	deep sjeng 1.6	2449
37.	list 512	2448
38.	fritz 5.32	2400
39.	crafty 19.01	2356

For the list above, you can see the top 5 look out of order. That is not the
case. The average of the program's ELO RANGE shows it potential on strength and
consistency.

Top 5
#	Engine	   ELO RANGE  ELO RANGE Avg.
1. Deep Junior8EM  2611-2673     2642
2. Deep Fritz 7    2581-2685     2633
3. Deep Fritz 8    2574-2650     2612
4. Shredder 8      2587-2629     2608
5. Deep Junior 9   2573-2624     2596

You might ask why is Deep Junior 8EM so high on the list. I think a lot of it
had to do with the hardware and books used when it played it's 28,000 + games.

You might ask why is Fritz 7 ranked higher than Fritz 8? That is because at
Fritz 7's ELO RANGE is a higher and the ELO RANGE average makes it stronger.
It's just up to you to provide the right book, hardware, settings, etc. Then you
might be at the higher end of the ELO RANGE.

You also might ask, why is Shredder 8 in 4th? Even with 450,000 more games than
any other engine it's potential never became as high of the others. With the
right book, hardware, settings, etc., it could be stronger then the others most
of the time. it's ELO RANGE average is still lower then the rest, as of now :)

Finally, you might ask, what if all the programs played at it's highest value in
the ELO RANGE? Then hypothetically, Deep Fritz 7 would win playing at 2685.

If everything was ran on a uniform system, Same hardware, book, settings, then
we could give it an approximate rating. Since we all know it's not, an ELO RANGE
should be the solution.

I hope to see this used more often.

Joshua Haglund
toneewa@yahoo.com



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