Author: George Sobala
Date: 23:41:41 01/29/05
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On January 30, 2005 at 01:32:56, Joshua Haglund wrote: >I think chess engines should not be given an approximate rating. I think they >should be given an ELO RANGE, and be ranked by the average of the ELO RANGE. >There shouldn't be an engine on the list unless it has played more then 5000 >games. These games are consisting of different books, hardware, settings, etc., >hence, giving the engine an ELO RANGE. > >30.01.2005 >2937569 games > >Engine Popularity > ># Engine N Games Elo Avg. >1. shredder 8 1527113 2608 ±21 >2. fritz 8 1061589 2543 ±28 >3. deep fritz 8 1032565 2612 ±38 >4. deep fritz 7 439209 2633 ±52 >5. hiarcs 9 317815 2549 ±30 >6. shredder 7.04 258551 2551 ±29 >7. fritz 7 228719 2578 ±37 >8. junior 8 103815 2508 ±22 >9. x3d fritz 76805 2560 ±28 >10. deep junior 9 56381 2596 ±26 >11. deep junior 8 51025 2540 ±25 >12. junior 9 45999 2553 ±26 >13. chess tiger 15 45253 2514 ±25 >14. fritzinbahrain 37793 2501 ±16 >15. deep juniorem 28771 2642 ±31 >16. deep junior8.zx 22453 2535 ±24 >17. gambit tiger2.0 21613 2503 ±23 >18. ruffian 2.1.0 19755 2510 ±8 >19. the king 3.33 18969 2528 ±15 >20. shredder 7 18733 2510 ±34 >21. pro deo 1.0 17649 2468 ±11 >22. 3d schach 4.0 16811 2519 ±9 >23. fritz 5.32 14259 2400 ±7 >24. fruit 2.0 13425 2537 ±21 >25. aristarch 4.50 12305 2472 ±7 >26. gandalf 6.0 11787 2508 ±16 >27. shredder 7.se 11099 2510 ±18 >28. junior 7 11037 2474 ±13 >29. ruffian 1.0.5 10861 2485 ±21 >30. chess tiger 14 10281 2514 ±18 >31. hiarcs8 bareev 9267 2483 ±20 >32. schachgenie 1.0 8763 2548 ±9 >33. list 512 8693 2448 ±4 >34. the king 3.23 8179 2469 ±9 >35. crafty 19.01 6803 2356 ±6 >36. fritz for fun 3 6751 2470 ±5 >37. deep sjeng 1.6 6265 2449 ±2 >38. the king 3.23r1 6047 2547 ±3 >39. hiarcs 8 5739 2460 ±3 > >Engine ELO Range > >Shredder 8 ELO 2587-2629 >Fritz 8 ELO 2515-2571 >Deep Fritz 8 ELO 2574-2650 >Deep Fritz 7 ELO 2581-2685 >Hiarcs 9 ELO 2519-2579 >Shredder 7.04 ELO 2522-2580 >Fritz 7 ELO 2541-2615 >Junior 8 ELO 2482-2530 >X3d Fritz ELO 2532-2588 >Deep Junior 9 ELO 2573-2624 >Deep Junior 8 ELO 2515-2565 >Junior 9 ELO 2527-2579 >Chess Tiger 15 ELO 2489-2539 >FritzInBahrain ELO 2485-2517 >Deep Junior8EM ELO 2611-2673 >Deep Junior8ZX ELO 2514-2559 >Gambit Tiger 2 ELO 2480-2526 >Ruffian 2.1.0 ELO 2502-2518 >The King 3.33 ELO 2513-2543 >Shredder 7 ELO 2476-2544 >Pro Deo 1.0 ELO 2457-2479 >3d Schach 4.0 ELO 2510-2528 >Fritz 5.32 ELO 2393-2407 >Fruit 2.0 ELO 2515-2558 >Aristarch 4.5 ELO 2465-2479 >Gandolf 6.0 ELO 2492-2524 >Shredder 7SE ELO 2492-2528 >Junior 7 ELO 2461-2487 >Ruffian 1.0.5 ELO 2464-2506 >Chess Tiger 14 ELO 2496-2532 >Hiarcs 8Bareev ELO 2463-2503 >Schachgenie1.0 ELO 2539-2557 >List 5.12 ELO 2444-2452 >The King 3.23 ELO 2460-2478 >Crafty 19.01 ELO 2350-2362 >Fritz for Fun3 ELO 2465-2475 >Deep Sjeng 1.6 ELO 2447-2451 >The King3.23r1 ELO 2544-2550 >Hiarcs 8 ELO 2457-2463 > >Engine Rankings ># Engine Elo Range Avg. > >1. deep juniorem 2642 >2. deep fritz 7 2633 >3. deep fritz 8 2612 >4. shredder 8 2608 >5. deep junior 9 2596 >6. fritz 7 2578 >7. x3d fritz 2560 >8. junior 9 2553 >9. hiarcs 9 2549 >10. schachgenie 1.0 2548 >11. the king 3.23r1 2547 >12. fritz 8 2543 >13. shredder 7.04 2551 >14. deep junior 8 2540 >15. fruit 2.0 2537 >16. deep junior8.zx 2535 >17. the king 3.33 2528 >18. 3d schach 4.0 2519 >19. chess tiger 15 2514 >20. chess tiger 14 2514 >21. shredder 7.se 2510 >22. shredder 7 2510 >23. ruffian 2.1.0 2510 >24. gandalf 6.0 2508 >25. junior 8 2508 >26. gambit tiger2.0 2503 >27. fritzinbahrain 2501 >28. ruffian 1.0.5 2485 >29. hiarcs8 bareev 2483 >30. junior 7 2474 >31. aristarch 4.50 2472 >32. fritz for fun 3 2470 >33. the king 3.23 2469 >34. pro deo 1.0 2468 >35. hiarcs 8 2460 >36. deep sjeng 1.6 2449 >37. list 512 2448 >38. fritz 5.32 2400 >39. crafty 19.01 2356 > >For the list above, you can see the top 5 look out of order. That is not the >case. The average of the program's ELO RANGE shows it potential on strength and >consistency. > >Top 5 ># Engine ELO RANGE ELO RANGE Avg. >1. Deep Junior8EM 2611-2673 2642 >2. Deep Fritz 7 2581-2685 2633 >3. Deep Fritz 8 2574-2650 2612 >4. Shredder 8 2587-2629 2608 >5. Deep Junior 9 2573-2624 2596 > >You might ask why is Deep Junior 8EM so high on the list. I think a lot of it >had to do with the hardware and books used when it played it's 28,000 + games. > >You might ask why is Fritz 7 ranked higher than Fritz 8? That is because at >Fritz 7's ELO RANGE is a higher and the ELO RANGE average makes it stronger. >It's just up to you to provide the right book, hardware, settings, etc. Then you >might be at the higher end of the ELO RANGE. > >You also might ask, why is Shredder 8 in 4th? Even with 450,000 more games than >any other engine it's potential never became as high of the others. With the >right book, hardware, settings, etc., it could be stronger then the others most >of the time. it's ELO RANGE average is still lower then the rest, as of now :) > >Finally, you might ask, what if all the programs played at it's highest value in >the ELO RANGE? Then hypothetically, Deep Fritz 7 would win playing at 2685. > >If everything was ran on a uniform system, Same hardware, book, settings, then >we could give it an approximate rating. Since we all know it's not, an ELO RANGE >should be the solution. > >I hope to see this used more often. > >Joshua Haglund >toneewa@yahoo.com Bizarre. How do you calculate your ELO ranges? The engines which have played most games seem to have the widest ranges, whereas engines wit fewest games seem to have an unnaturally narrow range. Also, please explain how Shredder 8 has played 1.5 million games? That is over 5 years of non-stop 1 0 Blitz. Time travel?
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