Author: Ingo Bauer
Date: 03:59:44 01/30/05
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On January 29, 2005 at 18:54:32, stuart taylor wrote:
>On January 29, 2005 at 17:50:26, Richard Harrison wrote:
>
>>Robert,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the game. Very dynamic.
>> Hiarcs move 17. Be2 is weak...and then 19. Kd2 just throws the game away.
>>Even with the short time controls, surprised it couldn't find better moves.
>>Then again, it is playing against a monster (Shredder 9)!
>
>Is this a beta version?
>
>Does the idea of "monster" apply to computer vs. computer? With humans, there
>the overwhelm and emotional aspects. But with computers, the idea of monster
>would just mean a general categorization of its depth of evaluation etc. with
>the majority of its moves, compared with the opponent.
>So I would like to see more of Shredder 9, but if we speak of this game alone,
>I'd like to know more of the details of its moves, and exactly how bad Hiarcs 17
>and 19 were.
>Oh! and of course, I don't have an easy way of playing through these games, as I
>would need to set up a chess set and play each move manually, something which I
>believe those of us who play it from this text don't normally need to do. (this
>will hopefully change when I get a new computer and living accomodation).
>S.Taylor
I cant help anyone of you with a personal analysis of the game because my chess
abilities are limited :-) What might be interesting is that BOTH programs at one
point saw Shredder allready 2+ pawns behind in evaluation. During the game there
was a guy who said a corrospondence GM is with him and the GM were astonished
about the quality of the game. I have to believe that.
But in case anyone is interested I can give the PGN including evaluations:
[Event "Wertungspartie, 60m + 15s"]
[Site "Maschinenraum"]
[Date "2005.01.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mip, Hiarcs 9"]
[Black "Sukkubus, Shredder 9 UCI"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A15"]
[WhiteElo "2501"]
[BlackElo "2715"]
[PlyCount "150"]
[EventDate "2005.01.12"]
[TimeControl "3600+15"]
1. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 2. c4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} g6 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} 3. b4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bg7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 4. Bb2 {
[%emt 0:00:00]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nc3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e5 {
[%eval -28,18] [%emt 0:03:06]} 6. Nxe5 {[%eval 62,13] [%emt 0:02:53]} Na6 {
[%eval 4,18] [%emt 0:03:33]} 7. Qb3 {[%eval 88,13] [%emt 0:04:26]} Qe7 {
[%eval 19,17] [%emt 0:02:30]} 8. Nd3 {[%eval 96,12] [%emt 0:02:07]} c6 {
[%eval 44,18] [%emt 0:01:55]} 9. e3 {[%eval 126,13] [%emt 0:02:29]} d5 {
[%eval 49,17] [%emt 0:00:36]} 10. cxd5 {[%eval 158,12] [%emt 0:01:54]} Rd8 {
[%eval 62,17] [%emt 0:00:53]} 11. dxc6 {[%eval 168,11] [%emt 0:02:12]} Rb8 {
[%eval 81,17] [%emt 0:03:56]} 12. cxb7 {[%eval 216,11] [%emt 0:01:59]} Bxb7 {
[%eval 88,17] [%emt 0:00:26]} 13. Qa4 {[%eval 227,10] [%emt 0:01:30]} Nd7 {
[%eval 116,16] [%emt 0:03:13]} 14. Ba3 {[%eval 216,11] [%emt 0:03:23]} Qh4 {
[%eval 101,17] [%emt 0:10:31]} 15. Rd1 {[%eval 205,10] [%emt 0:01:34]} Bxc3 {
[%eval 55,16] [%emt 0:02:14]} 16. dxc3 {[%eval 145,12] [%emt 0:03:38]} Nf6 {
[%eval 77,18] [%emt 0:01:15]} 17. Be2 {[%eval 134,11] [%emt 0:00:34]} Bxg2 {
[%eval -85,17] [%emt 0:04:57]} 18. Rg1 {[%eval 42,13] [%emt 0:05:26]} Qxh2 {
[%eval -71,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} 19. Kd2 {[%eval 63,12] [%emt 0:01:13]} Nc7 {
[%eval -107,15] [%emt 0:02:18]} 20. Kc1 {[%eval 23,12] [%emt 0:04:15]} Be4 {
[%eval -122,16] [%emt 0:02:08]} 21. Qc2 {[%eval 5,12] [%emt 0:00:01]} Rdc8 {
[%eval -180,15] [%emt 0:01:04]} 22. c4 {[%eval -45,12] [%emt 0:01:56]} Ncd5 {
[%eval -184,18] [%emt 0:00:00]} 23. c5 {[%eval -51,11] [%emt 0:00:45]} Nxb4 {
[%eval -220,15] [%emt 0:00:19]} 24. Bxb4 {[%eval -160,13] [%emt 0:03:31]} Rxb4
{[%eval -293,18] [%emt 0:00:00]} 25. Rg5 {[%eval -160,12] [%emt 0:00:52]} Rcb8
{[%eval -280,16] [%emt 0:00:15]} 26. c6 {[%eval -202,11] [%emt 0:03:29]} Nd5 {
[%eval -281,16] [%emt 0:00:04]} 27. Rxd5 {[%eval -168,11] [%emt 0:01:07]} Rb1+
{[%eval -296,17] [%emt 0:01:06]} 28. Kd2 {[%eval -231,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rxd1+
{[%eval -296,18] [%emt 0:01:57]} 29. Bxd1 {[%eval -226,14] [%emt 0:00:01]} Bxd5
{[%eval -295,19] [%emt 0:01:50]} 30. Qc5 {[%eval -198,13] [%emt 0:00:01]} Bh1 {
[%eval -214,17] [%emt 0:05:22]} 31. Bg4 {[%eval -178,11] [%emt 0:00:59]} Qc7 {
[%eval -104,15] [%emt 0:00:04]} 32. Bd7 {[%eval -160,11] [%emt 0:00:17]} Rd8 {
[%eval -108,15] [%emt 0:00:51]} 33. Ke2 {[%eval -158,11] [%emt 0:00:36]} Rxd7 {
[%eval -138,17] [%emt 0:00:19]} 34. cxd7 {[%eval -159,11] [%emt 0:00:12]} Qxd7
{[%eval -158,15] [%emt 0:00:00]} 35. a3 {[%eval -176,11] [%emt 0:01:03]} Bb7 {
[%eval -199,16] [%emt 0:00:44]} 36. Qc4 {[%eval -171,11] [%emt 0:00:54]} h5 {
[%eval -218,17] [%emt 0:00:48]} 37. Nc5 {[%eval -175,11] [%emt 0:00:59]} Qd5 {
[%eval -227,18] [%emt 0:00:00]} 38. Qxd5 {[%eval -177,12] [%emt 0:00:43]} Bxd5
{[%eval -257,23] [%emt 0:00:00]} 39. e4 {[%eval -183,13] [%emt 0:00:48]} Bc6 {
[%eval -246,21] [%emt 0:00:11]} 40. f3 {[%eval -205,13] [%emt 0:00:49]} Kf8 {
[%eval -291,22] [%emt 0:00:45]} 41. Ke3 {[%eval -203,12] [%emt 0:00:33]} g5 {
[%eval -304,23] [%emt 0:00:28]} 42. Nd3 {[%eval -219,12] [%emt 0:00:08]} Ke7 {
[%eval -313,22] [%emt 0:00:37]} 43. Nb4 {[%eval -216,12] [%emt 0:00:01]} Kd6 {
[%eval -314,21] [%emt 0:00:35]} 44. e5+ {[%eval -234,13] [%emt 0:01:30]} Kc7 {
[%eval -333,22] [%emt 0:00:42]} 45. Nd3 {[%eval -243,12] [%emt 0:00:48]} Kd7 {
[%eval -336,22] [%emt 0:00:01]} 46. f4 {[%eval -209,11] [%emt 0:00:14]} g4 {
[%eval -305,21] [%emt 0:00:52]} 47. f5 {[%eval -218,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} g3 {
[%eval -305,21] [%emt 0:00:37]} 48. Nf4 {[%eval -215,13] [%emt 0:00:01]} h4 {
[%eval -293,22] [%emt 0:00:46]} 49. Ne2 {[%eval -231,13] [%emt 0:00:01]} h3 {
[%eval -297,21] [%emt 0:00:42]} 50. Nxg3 {[%eval -188,12] [%emt 0:00:15]} h2 {
[%eval -302,20] [%emt 0:00:18]} 51. Kf4 {[%eval -205,13] [%emt 0:00:13]} Ke7 {
[%eval -303,23] [%emt 0:00:31]} 52. Kg4 {[%eval -212,14] [%emt 0:00:28]} h1=Q {
[%eval -322,24] [%emt 0:00:43]} 53. Nxh1 {[%eval -212,15] [%emt 0:00:24]} Bxh1
{[%eval -515,28] [%emt 0:00:19]} 54. Kf4 {[%eval -213,17] [%emt 0:00:04]} Bd5 {
[%eval -568,27] [%emt 0:00:32]} 55. Kg5 {[%eval -274,19] [%emt 0:01:42]} Kd7 {
[%eval -695,28] [%emt 0:00:31]} 56. Kf6 {[%eval -274,16] [%emt 0:00:13]} Kc6 {
[%eval -1152,26] [%emt 0:00:45]} 57. e6 {[%eval -150,15] [%emt 0:00:26]} fxe6 {
[%eval -32744,36] [%emt 0:01:56]} 58. fxe6 {[%eval -284,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kb5
{[%eval -32745,36] [%emt 0:00:47]} 59. Ke5 {[%eval -340,18] [%emt 0:01:24]} Kc4
{[%eval -32746,37] [%emt 0:00:00]} 60. Kd6 {[%eval -360,17] [%emt 0:00:15]} a5
{[%eval -32747,36] [%emt 0:00:09]} 61. Ke7 {[%eval -6094,24] [%emt 0:04:07]}
Kb3 {[%eval -32751,31] [%emt 0:00:02]} 62. Kf6 {[%eval -32751,5] [%emt 0:00:00]
} Bxe6 {[%eval -32752,29] [%emt 0:00:00]} 63. a4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Bc4 {
[%eval -32753,5] [%emt 0:00:00]} 64. Ke7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kxa4 {
[%eval -32755,5] [%emt 0:00:00]} 65. Kd6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kb4 {
[%eval -32756,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 66. Ke5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} a4 {
[%eval -32757,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 67. Ke4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} a3 {
[%eval -32758,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 68. Ke3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} a2 {
[%eval -32759,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 69. Ke4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kc5 {
[%eval -32760,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 70. Ke3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} a1=Q {
[%eval -32761,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 71. Ke4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qf6 {
[%eval -32762,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 72. Ke3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qf5 {
[%eval -32762,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 73. Kd2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kd4 {
[%eval -32763,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 74. Kc1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Kc3 {
[%eval -32765,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 75. Kd1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Qb1# {
[%eval -32765,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 0-1
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Ingo
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