Author: Joshua Haglund
Date: 07:06:56 01/30/05
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On January 30, 2005 at 09:24:29, gerold daniels wrote: >On January 30, 2005 at 01:32:56, Joshua Haglund wrote: > >>I think chess engines should not be given an approximate rating. I think they >>should be given an ELO RANGE, and be ranked by the average of the ELO RANGE. >>There shouldn't be an engine on the list unless it has played more then 5000 >>games. These games are consisting of different books, hardware, settings, etc., >>hence, giving the engine an ELO RANGE. >> >>30.01.2005 >>2937569 games >> >>Engine Popularity >> >># Engine N Games Elo Avg. >>1. shredder 8 1527113 2608 ±21 >>2. fritz 8 1061589 2543 ±28 >>3. deep fritz 8 1032565 2612 ±38 >>4. deep fritz 7 439209 2633 ±52 >>5. hiarcs 9 317815 2549 ±30 >>6. shredder 7.04 258551 2551 ±29 >>7. fritz 7 228719 2578 ±37 >>8. junior 8 103815 2508 ±22 >>9. x3d fritz 76805 2560 ±28 >>10. deep junior 9 56381 2596 ±26 >>11. deep junior 8 51025 2540 ±25 >>12. junior 9 45999 2553 ±26 >>13. chess tiger 15 45253 2514 ±25 >>14. fritzinbahrain 37793 2501 ±16 >>15. deep juniorem 28771 2642 ±31 >>16. deep junior8.zx 22453 2535 ±24 >>17. gambit tiger2.0 21613 2503 ±23 >>18. ruffian 2.1.0 19755 2510 ±8 >>19. the king 3.33 18969 2528 ±15 >>20. shredder 7 18733 2510 ±34 >>21. pro deo 1.0 17649 2468 ±11 >>22. 3d schach 4.0 16811 2519 ±9 >>23. fritz 5.32 14259 2400 ±7 >>24. fruit 2.0 13425 2537 ±21 >>25. aristarch 4.50 12305 2472 ±7 >>26. gandalf 6.0 11787 2508 ±16 >>27. shredder 7.se 11099 2510 ±18 >>28. junior 7 11037 2474 ±13 >>29. ruffian 1.0.5 10861 2485 ±21 >>30. chess tiger 14 10281 2514 ±18 >>31. hiarcs8 bareev 9267 2483 ±20 >>32. schachgenie 1.0 8763 2548 ±9 >>33. list 512 8693 2448 ±4 >>34. the king 3.23 8179 2469 ±9 >>35. crafty 19.01 6803 2356 ±6 >>36. fritz for fun 3 6751 2470 ±5 >>37. deep sjeng 1.6 6265 2449 ±2 >>38. the king 3.23r1 6047 2547 ±3 >>39. hiarcs 8 5739 2460 ±3 >> >>Engine ELO Range >> >>Shredder 8 ELO 2587-2629 >>Fritz 8 ELO 2515-2571 >>Deep Fritz 8 ELO 2574-2650 >>Deep Fritz 7 ELO 2581-2685 >>Hiarcs 9 ELO 2519-2579 >>Shredder 7.04 ELO 2522-2580 >>Fritz 7 ELO 2541-2615 >>Junior 8 ELO 2482-2530 >>X3d Fritz ELO 2532-2588 >>Deep Junior 9 ELO 2573-2624 >>Deep Junior 8 ELO 2515-2565 >>Junior 9 ELO 2527-2579 >>Chess Tiger 15 ELO 2489-2539 >>FritzInBahrain ELO 2485-2517 >>Deep Junior8EM ELO 2611-2673 >>Deep Junior8ZX ELO 2514-2559 >>Gambit Tiger 2 ELO 2480-2526 >>Ruffian 2.1.0 ELO 2502-2518 >>The King 3.33 ELO 2513-2543 >>Shredder 7 ELO 2476-2544 >>Pro Deo 1.0 ELO 2457-2479 >>3d Schach 4.0 ELO 2510-2528 >>Fritz 5.32 ELO 2393-2407 >>Fruit 2.0 ELO 2515-2558 >>Aristarch 4.5 ELO 2465-2479 >>Gandolf 6.0 ELO 2492-2524 >>Shredder 7SE ELO 2492-2528 >>Junior 7 ELO 2461-2487 >>Ruffian 1.0.5 ELO 2464-2506 >>Chess Tiger 14 ELO 2496-2532 >>Hiarcs 8Bareev ELO 2463-2503 >>Schachgenie1.0 ELO 2539-2557 >>List 5.12 ELO 2444-2452 >>The King 3.23 ELO 2460-2478 >>Crafty 19.01 ELO 2350-2362 >>Fritz for Fun3 ELO 2465-2475 >>Deep Sjeng 1.6 ELO 2447-2451 >>The King3.23r1 ELO 2544-2550 >>Hiarcs 8 ELO 2457-2463 >> >>Engine Rankings >># Engine Elo Range Avg. >> >>1. deep juniorem 2642 >>2. deep fritz 7 2633 >>3. deep fritz 8 2612 >>4. shredder 8 2608 >>5. deep junior 9 2596 >>6. fritz 7 2578 >>7. x3d fritz 2560 >>8. junior 9 2553 >>9. hiarcs 9 2549 >>10. schachgenie 1.0 2548 >>11. the king 3.23r1 2547 >>12. fritz 8 2543 >>13. shredder 7.04 2551 >>14. deep junior 8 2540 >>15. fruit 2.0 2537 >>16. deep junior8.zx 2535 >>17. the king 3.33 2528 >>18. 3d schach 4.0 2519 >>19. chess tiger 15 2514 >>20. chess tiger 14 2514 >>21. shredder 7.se 2510 >>22. shredder 7 2510 >>23. ruffian 2.1.0 2510 >>24. gandalf 6.0 2508 >>25. junior 8 2508 >>26. gambit tiger2.0 2503 >>27. fritzinbahrain 2501 >>28. ruffian 1.0.5 2485 >>29. hiarcs8 bareev 2483 >>30. junior 7 2474 >>31. aristarch 4.50 2472 >>32. fritz for fun 3 2470 >>33. the king 3.23 2469 >>34. pro deo 1.0 2468 >>35. hiarcs 8 2460 >>36. deep sjeng 1.6 2449 >>37. list 512 2448 >>38. fritz 5.32 2400 >>39. crafty 19.01 2356 >> >>For the list above, you can see the top 5 look out of order. That is not the >>case. The average of the program's ELO RANGE shows it potential on strength and >>consistency. >> >>Top 5 >># Engine ELO RANGE ELO RANGE Avg. >>1. Deep Junior8EM 2611-2673 2642 >>2. Deep Fritz 7 2581-2685 2633 >>3. Deep Fritz 8 2574-2650 2612 >>4. Shredder 8 2587-2629 2608 >>5. Deep Junior 9 2573-2624 2596 >> >>You might ask why is Deep Junior 8EM so high on the list. I think a lot of it >>had to do with the hardware and books used when it played it's 28,000 + games. >> >>You might ask why is Fritz 7 ranked higher than Fritz 8? That is because at >>Fritz 7's ELO RANGE is a higher and the ELO RANGE average makes it stronger. >>It's just up to you to provide the right book, hardware, settings, etc. Then you >>might be at the higher end of the ELO RANGE. >> >>You also might ask, why is Shredder 8 in 4th? Even with 450,000 more games than >>any other engine it's potential never became as high of the others. With the >>right book, hardware, settings, etc., it could be stronger then the others most >>of the time. it's ELO RANGE average is still lower then the rest, as of now :) >> >>Finally, you might ask, what if all the programs played at it's highest value in >>the ELO RANGE? Then hypothetically, Deep Fritz 7 would win playing at 2685. >> >>If everything was ran on a uniform system, Same hardware, book, settings, then >>we could give it an approximate rating. Since we all know it's not, an ELO RANGE >>should be the solution. >> >>I hope to see this used more often. >> >>Joshua Haglund >>toneewa@yahoo.com > >good morning joshua its hard enough with the present testing tell how strong >engine is. the testers now are doing a good job of tell about how strong an >engine is.i prefer to keep it simple as possible.i have a fast computer and a >slow computer and get about the same results with both. i get diff.results with >diff.books.i get diff.results with times controls. with 100 games tested on same >computer the two engines i tested get the same results as most of the other >tests posted here. > >gerold. Good Morning Gerold, It's simple, just keep playing, at playchess.com and the server does the rest of the calculations. http://playchess.com/stats/engineranking.htm Updated daily. Joshua Haglund toneewa@yahoo.com
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