Author: gerold daniels
Date: 13:45:04 01/30/05
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On January 30, 2005 at 10:06:56, Joshua Haglund wrote: >On January 30, 2005 at 09:24:29, gerold daniels wrote: > >>On January 30, 2005 at 01:32:56, Joshua Haglund wrote: >> >>>I think chess engines should not be given an approximate rating. I think they >>>should be given an ELO RANGE, and be ranked by the average of the ELO RANGE. >>>There shouldn't be an engine on the list unless it has played more then 5000 >>>games. These games are consisting of different books, hardware, settings, etc., >>>hence, giving the engine an ELO RANGE. >>> >>>30.01.2005 >>>2937569 games >>> >>>Engine Popularity >>> >>># Engine N Games Elo Avg. >>>1. shredder 8 1527113 2608 ±21 >>>2. fritz 8 1061589 2543 ±28 >>>3. deep fritz 8 1032565 2612 ±38 >>>4. deep fritz 7 439209 2633 ±52 >>>5. hiarcs 9 317815 2549 ±30 >>>6. shredder 7.04 258551 2551 ±29 >>>7. fritz 7 228719 2578 ±37 >>>8. junior 8 103815 2508 ±22 >>>9. x3d fritz 76805 2560 ±28 >>>10. deep junior 9 56381 2596 ±26 >>>11. deep junior 8 51025 2540 ±25 >>>12. junior 9 45999 2553 ±26 >>>13. chess tiger 15 45253 2514 ±25 >>>14. fritzinbahrain 37793 2501 ±16 >>>15. deep juniorem 28771 2642 ±31 >>>16. deep junior8.zx 22453 2535 ±24 >>>17. gambit tiger2.0 21613 2503 ±23 >>>18. ruffian 2.1.0 19755 2510 ±8 >>>19. the king 3.33 18969 2528 ±15 >>>20. shredder 7 18733 2510 ±34 >>>21. pro deo 1.0 17649 2468 ±11 >>>22. 3d schach 4.0 16811 2519 ±9 >>>23. fritz 5.32 14259 2400 ±7 >>>24. fruit 2.0 13425 2537 ±21 >>>25. aristarch 4.50 12305 2472 ±7 >>>26. gandalf 6.0 11787 2508 ±16 >>>27. shredder 7.se 11099 2510 ±18 >>>28. junior 7 11037 2474 ±13 >>>29. ruffian 1.0.5 10861 2485 ±21 >>>30. chess tiger 14 10281 2514 ±18 >>>31. hiarcs8 bareev 9267 2483 ±20 >>>32. schachgenie 1.0 8763 2548 ±9 >>>33. list 512 8693 2448 ±4 >>>34. the king 3.23 8179 2469 ±9 >>>35. crafty 19.01 6803 2356 ±6 >>>36. fritz for fun 3 6751 2470 ±5 >>>37. deep sjeng 1.6 6265 2449 ±2 >>>38. the king 3.23r1 6047 2547 ±3 >>>39. hiarcs 8 5739 2460 ±3 >>> >>>Engine ELO Range >>> >>>Shredder 8 ELO 2587-2629 >>>Fritz 8 ELO 2515-2571 >>>Deep Fritz 8 ELO 2574-2650 >>>Deep Fritz 7 ELO 2581-2685 >>>Hiarcs 9 ELO 2519-2579 >>>Shredder 7.04 ELO 2522-2580 >>>Fritz 7 ELO 2541-2615 >>>Junior 8 ELO 2482-2530 >>>X3d Fritz ELO 2532-2588 >>>Deep Junior 9 ELO 2573-2624 >>>Deep Junior 8 ELO 2515-2565 >>>Junior 9 ELO 2527-2579 >>>Chess Tiger 15 ELO 2489-2539 >>>FritzInBahrain ELO 2485-2517 >>>Deep Junior8EM ELO 2611-2673 >>>Deep Junior8ZX ELO 2514-2559 >>>Gambit Tiger 2 ELO 2480-2526 >>>Ruffian 2.1.0 ELO 2502-2518 >>>The King 3.33 ELO 2513-2543 >>>Shredder 7 ELO 2476-2544 >>>Pro Deo 1.0 ELO 2457-2479 >>>3d Schach 4.0 ELO 2510-2528 >>>Fritz 5.32 ELO 2393-2407 >>>Fruit 2.0 ELO 2515-2558 >>>Aristarch 4.5 ELO 2465-2479 >>>Gandolf 6.0 ELO 2492-2524 >>>Shredder 7SE ELO 2492-2528 >>>Junior 7 ELO 2461-2487 >>>Ruffian 1.0.5 ELO 2464-2506 >>>Chess Tiger 14 ELO 2496-2532 >>>Hiarcs 8Bareev ELO 2463-2503 >>>Schachgenie1.0 ELO 2539-2557 >>>List 5.12 ELO 2444-2452 >>>The King 3.23 ELO 2460-2478 >>>Crafty 19.01 ELO 2350-2362 >>>Fritz for Fun3 ELO 2465-2475 >>>Deep Sjeng 1.6 ELO 2447-2451 >>>The King3.23r1 ELO 2544-2550 >>>Hiarcs 8 ELO 2457-2463 >>> >>>Engine Rankings >>># Engine Elo Range Avg. >>> >>>1. deep juniorem 2642 >>>2. deep fritz 7 2633 >>>3. deep fritz 8 2612 >>>4. shredder 8 2608 >>>5. deep junior 9 2596 >>>6. fritz 7 2578 >>>7. x3d fritz 2560 >>>8. junior 9 2553 >>>9. hiarcs 9 2549 >>>10. schachgenie 1.0 2548 >>>11. the king 3.23r1 2547 >>>12. fritz 8 2543 >>>13. shredder 7.04 2551 >>>14. deep junior 8 2540 >>>15. fruit 2.0 2537 >>>16. deep junior8.zx 2535 >>>17. the king 3.33 2528 >>>18. 3d schach 4.0 2519 >>>19. chess tiger 15 2514 >>>20. chess tiger 14 2514 >>>21. shredder 7.se 2510 >>>22. shredder 7 2510 >>>23. ruffian 2.1.0 2510 >>>24. gandalf 6.0 2508 >>>25. junior 8 2508 >>>26. gambit tiger2.0 2503 >>>27. fritzinbahrain 2501 >>>28. ruffian 1.0.5 2485 >>>29. hiarcs8 bareev 2483 >>>30. junior 7 2474 >>>31. aristarch 4.50 2472 >>>32. fritz for fun 3 2470 >>>33. the king 3.23 2469 >>>34. pro deo 1.0 2468 >>>35. hiarcs 8 2460 >>>36. deep sjeng 1.6 2449 >>>37. list 512 2448 >>>38. fritz 5.32 2400 >>>39. crafty 19.01 2356 >>> >>>For the list above, you can see the top 5 look out of order. That is not the >>>case. The average of the program's ELO RANGE shows it potential on strength and >>>consistency. >>> >>>Top 5 >>># Engine ELO RANGE ELO RANGE Avg. >>>1. Deep Junior8EM 2611-2673 2642 >>>2. Deep Fritz 7 2581-2685 2633 >>>3. Deep Fritz 8 2574-2650 2612 >>>4. Shredder 8 2587-2629 2608 >>>5. Deep Junior 9 2573-2624 2596 >>> >>>You might ask why is Deep Junior 8EM so high on the list. I think a lot of it >>>had to do with the hardware and books used when it played it's 28,000 + games. >>> >>>You might ask why is Fritz 7 ranked higher than Fritz 8? That is because at >>>Fritz 7's ELO RANGE is a higher and the ELO RANGE average makes it stronger. >>>It's just up to you to provide the right book, hardware, settings, etc. Then you >>>might be at the higher end of the ELO RANGE. >>> >>>You also might ask, why is Shredder 8 in 4th? Even with 450,000 more games than >>>any other engine it's potential never became as high of the others. With the >>>right book, hardware, settings, etc., it could be stronger then the others most >>>of the time. it's ELO RANGE average is still lower then the rest, as of now :) >>> >>>Finally, you might ask, what if all the programs played at it's highest value in >>>the ELO RANGE? Then hypothetically, Deep Fritz 7 would win playing at 2685. >>> >>>If everything was ran on a uniform system, Same hardware, book, settings, then >>>we could give it an approximate rating. Since we all know it's not, an ELO RANGE >>>should be the solution. >>> >>>I hope to see this used more often. >>> >>>Joshua Haglund >>>toneewa@yahoo.com >> >>good morning joshua its hard enough with the present testing tell how strong >>engine is. the testers now are doing a good job of tell about how strong an >>engine is.i prefer to keep it simple as possible.i have a fast computer and a >>slow computer and get about the same results with both. i get diff.results with >>diff.books.i get diff.results with times controls. with 100 games tested on same >>computer the two engines i tested get the same results as most of the other >>tests posted here. >> >>gerold. > >Good Morning Gerold, > >It's simple, just keep playing, at playchess.com and the server does the rest of >the calculations. > >http://playchess.com/stats/engineranking.htm > >Updated daily. > >Joshua Haglund >toneewa@yahoo.com good afternoon joshua thanks for the info. i only test engines vs.engines i dont play at playchess.com. gerold.
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