Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 11:24:39 02/01/05
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On February 01, 2005 at 14:00:47, Peter Kappler wrote: >On February 01, 2005 at 13:28:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On February 01, 2005 at 13:22:57, Peter Kappler wrote: >> >>When diep would have this position against another engine in some important >>tournament, 99% chance it wins it. That 1% chance is the chance that i get a >>heart attack, that the connection breaks down forever, that diep crashes, and >so on. >> >>Vincent >> > >Your reluctance to discuss concrete variations gives me even more confidence >that my assessment is correct. :) > >-Peter If you would play some computerchess tournaments you'll see how agressive nowadays commercials are towards kingside. Black will never survive. The only objectivity there is in such positions is that white will win it. Concrete lines is just not interesting. Black being a computer will play 5 nullmoves somewhere. And in none of your analysis it will make 5 nullmoves. So any concrete analysis of this position is just plain nonsense. Black is already smoked without knowing it. Vincent > > >>>On February 01, 2005 at 11:03:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On January 31, 2005 at 23:51:17, Peter Kappler wrote: >>>> >>>>I would not for any money in the world want to defend the black position. It >>>>feels like a long term win for white. Black can do nothing. It's a sitting >duck. >>> >>>That was my first reaction, too, but after analyzing a bit (with some help from >>>Shredder) it became pretty clear that black is doing fine. Here's an example: >>> >>>Bxh6 gxh6 Qxh6 Nh7 Ng5 Nxg5 Qxg5 Kh7 h6 f6(f5) exf6 Qe8 >>> >>>Shredder prefers Nc6 over Qe8, but Qe8 more clearly illustrates that the attack >>>is over. White can try other ideas, but most of them are worse than the line >>>above. The weak b2 pawn and misplaced a3 rook really hurt white's chances. >>> >>>-Peter >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>On January 31, 2005 at 19:14:38, Torstein Hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 31, 2005 at 19:09:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 31, 2005 at 18:59:23, Torstein Hall wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I personally have no idea, but diep happily takes at h6 here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I regret it a bit. Initially it wants Nf3-h2-g4 x h6. Looks way stronger. >>>>>> >>>>>>I agree 100% that it Nh2 looks stronger. I can not find a simple win or a very >>>>>>large advantage after Bxh6 gxh6 Qxh6 Nh7 >>>>>> >>>>>>Torstein >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Me either. In fact, I'm pretty sure Black is better after Bxh6 gxh6 Qxh6 Nh7. >>>>>The black pieces (especially the queen) can get back to the kingside in time to >>>>>defend. Things might be different if white could get a rook into the action >>>>>more quickly. >>>>> >>>>>-Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>practical i'm sure that there is many ways for black to blow this after either >>>>>>>move (g4, Nh2 or Bxh6). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Just play on and win. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On January 31, 2005 at 18:28:12, George Tsavdaris wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I agree it looks very promissing for white, but can anyone give me a simple >>>>>>>>winning line? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Torstein >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On January 31, 2005 at 18:00:14, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On January 31, 2005 at 17:43:29, Peter Berger wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Junior 9.0.0.3 - Yace 0.99.87, Blitz:60'+10" >>>>>>>>>>>1n3nk1/2r2pp1/1p2p2p/rq1pP2P/p1pP4/R1P1BN2/1P1Q1PP1/5RK1 w - - 0 1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Here Junior 9 played 24.Bxh6! and went on to win in *the* typical way humans >>>>>>>>>>>used to do the computers in the past. Please note Junior's eval here : 0.27! - >>>>>>>>>>>and how nicely and easily it continues. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I wonder if there are other engines who can play this attack, first the sac, >>>>>>>>>>>then the slow and overwhelming build-up - it's possible, I haven't checked many >>>>>>>>>>>others yet. The move is even kind of forced because statically black is doing >>>>>>>>>>>extremely well here, even if it wouldn't work out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>"Puh". Anyone can play Bxh6. It's the move all patzers would play. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Real men (in other words, Deep Sjeng) attack with g4!! and g5! next move. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>With such a lonely King i think g4 and g5 wins too......But Bxh6 is more quick >>>>>>>>>and spectacular!
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