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Subject: Re: KNNNNKQ (long)

Author: Mark Rawlings

Date: 15:43:59 02/01/05

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On February 01, 2005 at 11:24:12, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On January 31, 2005 at 19:49:20, Mark Rawlings wrote:
>
>Mark,
>
>you are non stop talking about 6 men, however the position shown is a 7 man.
>
>a SEVEN man.
>
>it's not very fair to compare DTM of a 6 man with a 7 man.
>
>Compare with other 7 men i'd say and you might end up in a longer mate.
>

I agree completely.  I'm sure there will be a number of amazingly long 7-man
tablebase mates.

I probably should have changed the subject line in my original post...

Mark


>>On January 31, 2005 at 17:34:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On January 30, 2005 at 12:53:11, Helmut Conrady wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 30, 2005 at 10:56:55, Mark Rawlings wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Very interesting!
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the KRNKNN mate in 262 still the longest tablebase mate??
>>>
>>>Possibly not. If you simply have some 100 move sequence that exchanges to other
>>>5 or 6 men, you already are having a far longer mate.
>>
>>There are longer mates, of course, but they haven't been constructed in
>>tablebases yet.  Also, the DTM in the existing 6-piece tablebases already take
>>into account the number of moves after conversion to the 5-piece tablebases,
>>etc.
>>
>>I remember seeing one of these long tablebase mates where someone added a piece
>>or two with some forcing moves to create an even longer mate.  This would be
>>pretty tough to do for more than a few moves, though!
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I don't think we will have exact statistics on it though. DTM won't hold for
>>>long. It eats too much harddisk space for 7 men when compared to win/draw/loss.
>>>
>>>Vincent
>>>
>>>>>Mark
>>>>
>>>>Yes these 523 plies are the longest DTM so far. I expect this record holds in
>>>>the 6 piece endings.
>>>
>>>KNNNNKQ is a 7 man egtb.
>>>
>>>>Helmut



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