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Subject: Re: You'll never catch all the cheaters - electronic evesdropping won't work

Author: Michael Ginat

Date: 13:41:37 01/26/99

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On January 26, 1999 at 15:20:41, Mark Ryan wrote:

>On January 26, 1999 at 11:27:48, Michael Ginat wrote:
>
>>On January 26, 1999 at 09:11:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On January 25, 1999 at 21:57:39, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>Imagine Tom K's CE program on a 450Mhz palmtop in a pocket.  A shielded wire
>>>>lead goes to the endpoint transducer.
>>>>
>>>>However, since these tournaments are for *grand larceny sized prize money*
>>>>typically, I think that when someone is caught, they should be charged with
>>>>felony fraud.
>>>>
>>>>I don't think that a strip search before the tournament begins will be very
>>>>popular.
>>>
>>>No, but a simple electronic field check would siffice..it would pick up
>>>_any_ RF, and no shielding is perfect, because of the connectors at least.
>>>not to mention the EMI produced by the electronics themselves.
>>I agree with Mr Corbit - cheaters will always find a way. Talk to the casino
>>operators in Las Vegas! On the other hand if you posted warnings that offenders
>>would be prosecuted I'm sure they wouldn't dare for the small prize moneys.
>>regards..
>
>I still say that Vegas casinos have the solution (they would go broke if they
>didn't).  If they cannot detect the method of cheating, they can still just tell
>you to leave; by law they are allowed to do that (something to do with private
>property).  Ultimately, chess may have to follow their lead, although there
>would be serious challenges to overcome in terms of fairness.
>
>Mark
Hi Mark,
According to a TV program I saw recently the Vegas casinos have full time people
working on this problem. Most of them are former cheats themselves. The gist of
it, if I understood correctly, is that they do catch cheats but some still get
away with it and it still costs them millions of dollars - yes even today with
professional cheats monitoring the gambling rooms (probably using the most
sophisticated equipment money can buy) some cheats get away with it!!
So if someone cheats in chess and knows he will face fines and a criminal record
I doubt if he or she would be that keen on trying their luck - not for the kind
of prizes you can win in chess - not only that, in chess a computer chess cheat
would stick out like a sore thumb.
regards.
Michael



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